2021/22 Allan

[arbok]

No, depends on the type of offence.

• For a sending off, after a second yellow in one game, the suspension period is one match.
• For a so-called professional foul, a player will also receive a one-match ban.
• If the foul in question is dissent, it will normally be a two-match ban.
• If we are talking about violent conduct, the punishment is normally a three-match ban.

Example would be when a player hauls down someone as the last man - straight red but only a one game ban. Same with keeper send offs like that.

Thank you for this.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Especially against Man U because Van de Beek won't be allowed to play so that only leaves us with Doucoure.

That's an Expected Defeat anyway so probably not too kick much of a miss.

 

[TheVelourFog]

But that doesnt really say its not a red card? Shelvey one was definitely a red for me too. I really dont understand how that was reviewed by VAR and not considered dangerous play. But it doesnt change the Allan one.

I get the reaction at inconsistencies in refeering, i was more wondering specifically why people seemed convinced that individual tackle wasnt a red

you are right, 100% a red. Not sure why anyone would be unhappy about this kind of cynical foul being punished. It is how legs get broken.

Inconsistency in enforcing it is a different argument and an entirely valid one. Have seen similar get yellow, but that was the wrong decision then as well.

 

[Blueclouds]

This could cost us against Burnley.

 

[Fansince1988]

So we can appeal the red card

This could cost us against Burnley.

I think we have to play Doucoure as more of a holding midfielder while Allan is out, he is the only one we have available that can really do that. One game Allan misses is the cup game so it’s only 2 league games he misses. Burnley aren’t very good, let’s just hope the win the other night galvanises us to believe we can get a result away at Burnley, also West Ham are on cloud 9 atm we need to bring them back down to earth.

 

[Fansince1988]

The sad thing about all this is that VAR know they got it wrong, but to save face they wouldn’t budge on there decision, making it just a one match ban would have been a good compromise, serious foul play never in a million years.

 

[Fansince1988]

Especially against Man U because Van de Beek won't be allowed to play so that only leaves us with Doucoure.

He should be back for that, FA cup game I believe is Allans first game ban followed by WHU and Burnley. That’s the 3.

 

[Doctor Blue]

I know it's a mute point now anyway, but for me it's all about the eyes, when you look at the slowmo where is Allan looking? For me it is clearly towards the ground where he expects the ball to be, I would say he was committed to winning the ball as opposed to taking out the player, so he was too slow, but I don't see clear evidence of him trying to take the player out. Not that VAR takes any of that into account. I also believe that the slowed down feed can be shown to provide any evidence you want provided you stop it on the right frame, rendering the whole thing a waste of time. It all boils down to one person's personal view of what he is looking at. They wouldn't look if they didn't already think they had seen something, ie: it's subjective. The ref in my oppion should not have been questioned after he issued the yellow card, VAR was not introduced to question every aspect of the game, it is supposed to be the referees aid not take away his decision making all together. He gotthe full 3 match ban because of his (over) reaction to the ref and the 4th official, again why did he react in that way - passion - not taken into concideration. Football will end up one day being a non contact sport played in a laboratory under ferensic camera's played by automatons and VAR will still get it wrong because it is one man's decision.???

 

[Bluestar]

Please read also the part "both feet in the air". It's a professional foul gone sour. It's a yellow card offence with "strictly by the book" dished out red card. It went against the ref's "let them play"-approach but nevertheless, it was a red card offence. If there was willingness to give it...

There are tackles like that in every game that go unpunished. It’s another example of rules being applied to the letter of the law for us and then dropped for everyone else.

 

[sw blue]

Does anyone know where to find vids of the Allan red card and post it side by side with the Shelvey tackle on Anthony Gordon from the reverse fixture?

 

[Grim Weeper]

Please read also the part "both feet in the air". It's a professional foul gone sour. It's a yellow card offence with "strictly by the book" dished out red card. It went against the ref's "let them play"-approach but nevertheless, it was a red card offence. If there was willingness to give it...

The thing here is the ref had absolutely already changed from his let them play approach already, he’d stopped letting stuff go and had already started giving a lot more free kicks. And even in that first half he wouldn’t /couldn’t have let that go unpunished. It was as blatant a cynical, professional foul as you can ask for.

That said, he only gave a yellow which was in keeping with his let them play approach and so it really should’ve stayed that way.

There are tackles like that in every game that go unpunished. It’s another example of rules being applied to the letter of the law for us and then dropped for everyone else.

No there’s not. That foul literally never goes unpunished. It’s not even one you used to get away with in the 70s.

 

[N.S.N.O.]

The sad thing about all this is that VAR know they got it wrong, but to save face they wouldn’t budge on there decision, making it just a one match ban would have been a good compromise, serious foul play never in a million years.

And its not overstating the importance, but this one decision could be the difference between us staying up and being relegated...Burnley game is massive, and we need a player like Allan in that game in particular

 

[Caolam]

Setting aside the inconsistent preformance of referees in the Premier League and looking at Allan's tackle in isolation I was of the opinion the referee had a very clear look at what happened and he decided it was a yellow card. I do not know why the VAR official thought it was a clear and obvious mistake by the referee to do so. Did Allan jump across the front of St. Max, yes was it a cynical tackle to stop him breaking out of his own half, yes, it is a yellow card every day of the week. Did Allan make a deliberate attempt to injure St. Max, no he didn't, was Allan out of control, no he very very much in control and knew exactly what he was doing.
My understanding is that if you commit a professional foul when your opponent is in a goal scoring position you get a red, if it is not a goal scoring position then it is a yellow. St Max was not in a goal scoring position.
The appeal was never going to be successful, they have apologised to us once, they were certainly not going to do it again.
I am a supporter of VAR, but someone needs to sort out when it is used and definitely they need to have those people operating it trained in what they are doing. Their discussions should be recorded and made public so that they can explain why they give decisions. Maybe if they were held up to scrutiny they would make better decisions.

 

[Bluerover]

I know it's a mute point now anyway, but for me it's all about the eyes, when you look at the slowmo where is Allan looking? For me it is clearly towards the ground where he expects the ball to be, I would say he was committed to winning the ball as opposed to taking out the player, so he was too slow, but I don't see clear evidence of him trying to take the player out. Not that VAR takes any of that into account. I also believe that the slowed down feed can be shown to provide any evidence you want provided you stop it on the right frame, rendering the whole thing a waste of time. It all boils down to one person's personal view of what he is looking at. They wouldn't look if they didn't already think they had seen something, ie: it's subjective. The ref in my oppion should not have been questioned after he issued the yellow card, VAR was not introduced to question every aspect of the game, it is supposed to be the referees aid not take away his decision making all together. He gotthe full 3 match ban because of his (over) reaction to the ref and the 4th official, again why did he react in that way - passion - not taken into concideration. Football will end up one day being a non contact sport played in a laboratory under ferensic camera's played by automatons and VAR will still get it wrong because it is one man's decision.???

Moot point mate. Forensic.

 

[Johnniepk]

Setting aside the inconsistent preformance of referees in the Premier League and looking at Allan's tackle in isolation I was of the opinion the referee had a very clear look at what happened and he decided it was a yellow card. I do not know why the VAR official thought it was a clear and obvious mistake by the referee to do so. Did Allan jump across the front of St. Max, yes was it a cynical tackle to stop him breaking out of his own half, yes, it is a yellow card every day of the week. Did Allan make a deliberate attempt to injure St. Max, no he didn't, was Allan out of control, no he very very much in control and knew exactly what he was doing.
My understanding is that if you commit a professional foul when your opponent is in a goal scoring position you get a red, if it is not a goal scoring position then it is a yellow. St Max was not in a goal scoring position.
The appeal was never going to be successful, they have apologised to us once, they were certainly not going to do it again.
I am a supporter of VAR, but someone needs to sort out when it is used and definitely they need to have those people operating it trained in what they are doing. Their discussions should be recorded and made public so that they can explain why they give decisions. Maybe if they were held up to scrutiny they would make better decisions.

Spot on.
Allan knew he would get carded.
Ref saw it and made a decision. So where's the clear and obvious error?