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2019/20 Andre Gomes

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Lanolin said:
I really don’t understand what’s so difficult about this.

I specifically used an example to highlight how it is well established that people get punished based on the consequences of their actions rather than the actions themselves, and yet you’re now ignoring that. In theory every time you drive your car you might run someone over, but you don’t get sent down unless you actually do it. Thats how it works, no? So why are you making out like it’s a bizarre idea when applied to football?

Same with @JLW, you’re saying that every game would see someone sent off, but unless someone was seriously injured in every game that wouldn’t be the case. It’s literally the key part of the argument and you’re just missing/ignoring it.
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I understand your argument, however the glaringly obvious flaw in your argument is that the rules of the game aren't purely based on the consequence.

Like I said, whether it's the case in law in the criminal sense or not is irrelevant if it isn't as defined in the rules of the game. It really all boils down to balance.

There's a huge difference between a tackle that is overtly dangerous, where injury is likely, and a tackle that is not overtly dangerous but causes injury.

If he hadn't caught him would it have warranted a red? Does that not remove the issue of intent and whether the tackle was, in the general context, dangerous?

"I know I went in two footed, high and at pace and nearly snapped his leg, but luckily I only skinned him so and wasn't injured so no red" That's the same logic.

For me, it was a cynical tackle from behind to deliberately stop play like so many others are, but not to the degree of a red; yet, unfortunately Gomes was injured.

Was it serious foul play? Was it violent conduct? That's the letter of the law (go and check the FA) and unless it can be proven, then it's a yellow.
 
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Lanolin said:
I really don’t understand what’s so difficult about this.

I specifically used an example to highlight how it is well established that people get punished based on the consequences of their actions rather than the actions themselves, and yet you’re now ignoring that. In theory every time you drive your car you might run someone over, but you don’t get sent down unless you actually do it. Thats how it works, no? So why are you making out like it’s a bizarre idea when applied to football?

Same with @JLW, you’re saying that every game would see someone sent off, but unless someone was seriously injured in every game that wouldn’t be the case. It’s literally the key part of the argument and you’re just missing/ignoring it.
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I see it like this.

Did Sons tackle directly snapped Gomes ankle? No
Did he contribute to it? Yes
Did he mean it? No
Was the tackle he made on Gomes a yellow card tackle? Yes
Was it the unfortunate landing body position that caused the ankle to break? Yes
If Gomes never fell awkwardly would we be having this debate? No

I’m judging it by the tackle not the injury
 
I can only assume those who don't think it's a red agree that lunges on ankles away from the ball are acceptable to stop counter attacks?

Essentially you're saying you can launch in off your feet rather than shirt pulls or barges and it should still just be the same punishment - taking a yellow for the team.

I don't get the views here. Son went to do him. It wasn't a cynical professional foul. It was an attempt to leave one on Gomes.
 
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Club's got a bloody cheek selling these now.
 
JLW said:
I see it like this.

Did Sons tackle directly snapped Gomes ankle? No
Did he contribute to it? Yes
Did he mean it? No
Was the tackle he made on Gomes a yellow card tackle? Yes
Was it the unfortunate landing body position that caused the ankle to break? Yes
If Gomes never fell awkwardly would we be having this debate? No

I’m judging it by the tackle not the injury
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Why did gomes fall awkwardly mate, asking for a friend
 

There are incredibly dangerous tackles that cause no injury.

And fairly innocuous tackles that lead to horrendous injuries.

This was clearly the latter. You can’t base the punishment on the extent of the injury, and thankfully that’s not how the authorities outside of Football work too.
 
JLW said:
I see it like this.

Did Sons tackle directly snapped Gomes ankle? No
Did he contribute to it? Yes
Did he mean it? No
Was the tackle he made on Gomes a yellow card tackle? Yes
Was it the unfortunate landing body position that caused the ankle to break? Yes
If Gomes never fell awkwardly would we be having this debate? No

I’m judging it by the tackle not the injury
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Do you think Son may have been a bit wound up over the accidental elbow by Gomes a minute before that tackle, missed or ignored by the ref. The point is it was a challenge that in my view had no chance of winning the ball and did look out of character for Son. Thought Son was a little out of control making that tackle.
 
JLW said:
I see it like this.

Did Sons tackle directly snapped Gomes ankle? No
Did he contribute to it? Yes
Did he mean it? No
Was the tackle he made on Gomes a yellow card tackle? Yes
Was it the unfortunate landing body position that caused the ankle to break? Yes
If Gomes never fell awkwardly would we be having this debate? No

I’m judging it by the tackle not the injury
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Did Son make any attempt to win the ball? No.

That's the issue. It's not a mistimed challenge it's a deliberate trip on Gomes in retaliation. He's kicked out in frustration because he got hit in the face a few moments earlier. His act of petulance has caused a year long layoff.

Intent and how many times we see it every week are irrelevant purely because we don't see these type of injuries every week. Actions have consequences, sadly for us it's resulted in one of our players facing a lengthy lay off. For Son? He will be playing tomorrow safe in the knowledge that Coleman said it wasn't his fault and everybody is buzzing he's back smiling.
 

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