2022/23 Anthony Gordon

[kenada_blue]

And we need to make a stand, we need to be the club we are.

Richarlison I can accept, he outgrew the clubs current position and put in his service.

Gordon is selling our future without giving it an opportunity - his time here is naturally far from done.

They are very different things to my mind.

If we are complicit with what you describe, it’s how we will be treated, just a drone and as you say yourself an irrelevance - who wants that….,

It's £50million for an academy product. Our most expensive academy product ever who arguably is nowhere near as talented as the ones that went before him and what we undersold for.

I don't buy this sentimentality and faux stance making about it. It means zero after you've just survived in this League by the last game of the season

 

[bluestevon]

Exactly my thinking mate.

Im honestly surprised by this thread. At what point did we think it was acceptable to be a no mark club selling our brightest hopes to Chelsea and Spurs. It’s not competing, it’s not building something, it just undermines any hope. At what point did our pride and expectations become so low that we feel panicked that we have to sell our future because” a big club” waved 50s. I’m shocked and just wonder how recent years have obliterated people pride.

The whole thing just strikes me as contradictory:

Evertonians in May:

“We need to sign young players, before they break out and become great players”

Evertonians in August:

“Sell him, he’s 21 and has no end product”.

This thread depresses me, the last few years has really done a job on a lot of our supporters.

Being thankful to Spurs and Chelsea for taking our hope and best players. GTF.

It’s mortifying.

Would I cut my nose off to spite my face here, absolultley, sometimes in life you have to stand up, if not you become a doormat, don’t be a doormat Everton.

Agree completely, I could accept Richy going, two years left, starting cf for Brazil, given us 4 years and at or approaching his peak, pretty sure a gentleman's agreement was given about one more season too and that he gave one more after ancelotti left.

Gordon's different, he's exactly what we should be recruiting and have done with both Patterson and Onana - and funnily enough some of the sane people made up with Onana for 30-35m are shouting sell Gordon 40 or less, when profile wise and ability wise they are bloody close.

Makes no sense.

We look to be recruiting better, BUT in no way have we yet shown that 50m (of which I'm certain a huge amount of that is in bonuses - chelsea rumours where the 45 bid was only 20/25 guaranteed max) will suddenly turn us recruitment wise into Brighton - actually the record shows when we have a lot of available money we strike horrible deals and we actually show more prudence on deals when having to really negotiate every penny.

I actually think it goes back to Rooney going mate and the following Moyes years which actively pushed repeatedly the narrative of us being a minnow - even the people's club thing I hate actually - it was acceptance of being insular and parochial - and the knifes to gunfight stuff, all part of driving down expectations and thus demands of the fans

 

[Muggins]

Someone is making money off this drama before any transfer money has changed hands.

 

[KaiserEFC]

Agree completely, I could accept Richy going, two years left, starting cf for Brazil, given us 4 years and at or approaching his peak, pretty sure a gentleman's agreement was given about one more season too and that he gave one more after ancelotti left.

Gordon's different, he's exactly what we should be recruiting and have done with both Patterson and Onana - and funnily enough some of the sane people made up with Onana for 30-35m are shouting sell Gordon 40 or less, when profile wise and ability wise they are bloody close.

Makes no sense.

We look to be recruiting better, BUT in no way have we yet shown that 50m (of which I'm certain a huge amount of that is in bonuses - chelsea rumours where the 45 bid was only 20/25 guaranteed max) will suddenly turn us recruitment wise into Brighton - actually the record shows when we have a lot of available money we strike horrible deals and we actually show more prudence on deals when having to really negotiate every penny.

I actually think it goes back to Rooney going mate and the following Moyes years which actively pushed repeatedly the narrative of us being a minnow - even the people's club thing I hate actually - it was acceptance of being insular and parochial - and the knifes to gunfight stuff, all part of driving down expectations and thus demands of the fans

I think it’s probably more to do with us having about 3 good seasons in the past 25 years really isn’t it?

 

[Neiler]

It's £50million for an academy product. Our most expensive academy product ever who arguably is nowhere near as talented as the ones that went before him and what we undersold for.

I don't buy this sentimentality and faux stance making about it. It means zero after you've just survived in this League by the last game of the season

It’s good that your not buying it mate because I’m not selling it, it’s an analysis and observation.

Argueably is the key word, I get that opinion is subjective, I don’t have a doubt about the lad.

Maybe it is sentimentality, maybe it’s naivety, I won’t lie I follow the game for romance, for hope, to see one of own become great, I want the hope that they will develop and drag us on their shoulders up the league - I’m not wholly sure that a bad thing and if is I’ll happily own it.

Selling all that to Chelsea for grubby 50s - that I believe will prove poor value, so they can stick him in their youth team and loan him out for five years - and our own clapping it along - I’m sorry, makes me want to vomit - not even joking.

 

[MACCA75]

He’s older than Richarlison when we signed him, but from day one Richi looked a far superior player to Gordon. I honestly don’t see his value going up much if at all.

 

[DRINGOSTAR]

…I think £50m is more than reasonable for a player of Gordon’s current ability. We can only predict where his potential will take him, he could be top notch or he could be decent. He’s more Rodwell than Rooney, he‘s probably not even Jeffers at this point.

Can we wait 2 seasons to discover the ceiling of his potential or are we best cashing in now & utilising monies to benefit our immediate needs?

We could gamble on him being very good if our position wasn’t so precarious, but Gordon is unlikely to keep us up this season whereas we might with 2 x £30m purchases. I’m in the sell camp & I like the lad.

Exactly my thinking mate.

Im honestly surprised by this thread. At what point did we think it was acceptable to be a no mark club selling our brightest hopes to Chelsea and Spurs. It’s not competing, it’s not building something, it just undermines any hope. At what point did our pride and expectations become so low that we feel panicked that we have to sell our future because” a big club” waved 50s. I’m shocked and just wonder how recent years have obliterated people pride.

The whole thing just strikes me as contradictory:

Evertonians in May:

“We need to sign young players, before they break out and become great players”

Evertonians in August:

“Sell him, he’s 21 and has no end product”.

This thread depresses me, the last few years has really done a job on a lot of our supporters.

Being thankful to Spurs and Chelsea for taking our hope and best players. GTF.

It’s mortifying.

Would I cut my nose off to spite my face here, absolultley, sometimes in life you have to stand up, if not you become a doormat, don’t be a doormat Everton.

We were under the cosh to sell richarlison. To the extent we had to sell him on the last day to get money in. We are still in this precarious position and will need to sell someone again Before next year end ! We need to get funds in and build again or we’ll be in a this cycle ! I like him and think he’ll be a good player ! But needs must currently otherwise we’ll never get out of this position !

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Agree completely, I could accept Richy going, two years left, starting cf for Brazil, given us 4 years and at or approaching his peak, pretty sure a gentleman's agreement was given about one more season too and that he gave one more after ancelotti left.

Gordon's different, he's exactly what we should be recruiting and have done with both Patterson and Onana - and funnily enough some of the sane people made up with Onana for 30-35m are shouting sell Gordon 40 or less, when profile wise and ability wise they are bloody close.

Makes no sense.

We look to be recruiting better, BUT in no way have we yet shown that 50m (of which I'm certain a huge amount of that is in bonuses - chelsea rumours where the 45 bid was only 20/25 guaranteed max) will suddenly turn us recruitment wise into Brighton - actually the record shows when we have a lot of available money we strike horrible deals and we actually show more prudence on deals when having to really negotiate every penny.

I actually think it goes back to Rooney going mate and the following Moyes years which actively pushed repeatedly the narrative of us being a minnow - even the people's club thing I hate actually - it was acceptance of being insular and parochial - and the knifes to gunfight stuff, all part of driving down expectations and thus demands of the fans

Onana is a potentially world class box to box, which is something you absolutely gotta have to get the European places. It's worth splashing cash on if recruitment believes it's worth the risk.

Gordon is a winger that has no end product. Yes, he absolutely could develop that aspect to his game. But there are countless examples of pacey wingers that had promise and never got to the next level. Like a Theo Walcott, just to name one. These types of players are more a dime a dozen than an absolute unit in the middle of the park that could anchor our spine for years to come.

It's apples and oranges.

And I like Gordon. But selling him for 50 million pounds, we can buy five 10 million pound wingers and hope that two come good. They are just harder to predict, so I'd rather have numbers and options there

 

[kenada_blue]

It’s good that your not buying it mate because I’m not selling it, it’s an analysis and observation.

Argueably is the key word, I get that opinion is subjective, I don’t have a doubt about the lad.

Maybe it is sentimentality, maybe it’s naieve, I won’t lie I follow the game for romance, for hope, to see one of own become great, I want the hope that they will develop drag us on their shoulders up the league - I’m not wholly sure that a bad thing and if it I’ll happily own it. Selling all that to Chelsea for grubby 50s - that I believe will prove poor value, so they can stick him in their youth team and loan him out for five years - and our own clapping it along - I’m sorry, makes me want to vomit - not even joking.

After what happened last season I've no affection or connection to any of those players.

The big reset in my eyes. And everyone is up for sale.

 

[Neiler]

After what happened last season I've no affection or connection to any of those players.

The big reset in my eyes. And everyone is up for sale.

We can build mate, we can improve, I can see green shoots in the last two performances, buying players is often fools gold, buying the right players, getting the best out of the ones you have and developing players is where it’s at.

Id turn down 70 mill for Gordon, I honestly would, I believe in what I’m saying that much.

 

[Neiler]

We were under the cosh to sell richarlison. To the extent we had to sell him on the last day to get money in. We are still in this precarious position and will need to sell someone again Before next year end ! We need to get funds in and build again or we’ll be in a this cycle ! I like him and think he’ll be a good player ! But needs must currently otherwise we’ll never get out of this position !

The big secret mate, is it’s always a cycle, we will need to raise funds again next year, we will need to buy players, the current one is always the one - that will fix our problems - it never is, it’s eternal. Same for other clubs.

It’s why you have a long term strategy @bluestevon made a great comparrison with Declan Rice, what if WHU decided to cash in four years ago for 40 mill. He’s worth 150 mill now and the league know WHU aren’t for pushing around.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

It’s good that your not buying it mate because I’m not selling it, it’s an analysis and observation.

Argueably is the key word, I get that opinion is subjective, I don’t have a doubt about the lad.

Maybe it is sentimentality, maybe it’s naivety, I won’t lie I follow the game for romance, for hope, to see one of own become great, I want the hope that they will develop and drag us on their shoulders up the league - I’m not wholly sure that a bad thing and if is I’ll happily own it.

Selling all that to Chelsea for grubby 50s - that I believe will prove poor value, so they can stick him in their youth team and loan him out for five years - and our own clapping it along - I’m sorry, makes me want to vomit - not even joking.

I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if we kept our best players and replaced our poor/average ones with better players. Radical like, I know but I cannot help but think it is worth a try.

 

[Lanolin]

It’s good that your not buying it mate because I’m not selling it, it’s an analysis and observation.

Argueably is the key word, I get that opinion is subjective, I don’t have a doubt about the lad.

Maybe it is sentimentality, maybe it’s naivety, I won’t lie I follow the game for romance, for hope, to see one of own become great, I want the hope that they will develop and drag us on their shoulders up the league - I’m not wholly sure that a bad thing and if is I’ll happily own it.

Selling all that to Chelsea for grubby 50s - that I believe will prove poor value, so they can stick him in their youth team and loan him out for five years - and our own clapping it along - I’m sorry, makes me want to vomit - not even joking.

I think you’re confusing yourself with your own argument here mate. If Chelsea are going to stick him in their youth team and loan him out for 5 years then selling him for £50m is an absolute no brainer isn’t it. The worry is that we sell him and it all clicks into place and is forever the one that got away. If he does a Jeffers/rodwell/Barkley then it’s undoubtedly a great deal for us.

 

[Neiler]

I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if we kept our best players and replaced our poor/average ones with better players. Radical like, I know but I cannot help but think it is worth a try.

I think we are getting through it mate, Gomes & Gbamin are the last two prob non functioning option in the squad, I think we are going about building and changing in the right way, with football people.

Building has to be incremental, a process rather than event, it’s why I’d sit on Anthony, he’s integral.

 

[bluestevon]

…I think £50m is more than reasonable for a player of Gordon’s current ability. We can only predict where his potential will take him, he could be top notch or he could be decent. He’s more Rodwell than Rooney, he‘s probably not even Jeffers at this point.

Can we wait 2 seasons to discover the ceiling of his potential or are we best cashing in now & utilising monies to benefit our immediate needs?

We could gamble on him being very good if our position wasn’t so precarious, but Gordon is unlikely to keep us up this season whereas we might with 2 x £30m purchases. I’m in the sell camp & I like the lad.

That's the rub though mate.

Out of the 16 biggest transfers in the clubs history - going from the lowest of them Mykolenko (so around 21m) 11 of them are still actually at the club (well one is Kean so more like 10) one of those arrived this season (Onana) and on top of that two others from the 16 left this summer (Richy and Iceland)

So that's 10 players here right now in the range roughly of what you're saying we can add two off by letting go of Gordon.

Onana, Iwobi, Mina, Keane, Pickford, Kean, Godfrey, Gbamin, Gomes, Allan and Mykolenko..

Of those 11 I'd say only Pickford, is of the calibre he would 'make a difference' on a team staying up or not.

Onana I can't say he's played 10 minutes.

Mykolenko, Iwobi, the best of the rest - you give them to any of the relegated teams last year they won't have kept them up.

Mina is broken so hard to really count him.

The others are all either not wanted or we've tried our best to replace them.

I do t see how anyone can think it's a good idea to move on a player who imo did make a significant contribution to us staying up last season we stick Townsend in that team the last three months I think we go btw. For the pot at the end of the rainbow of two signing both coming in and both contributing more than Gordon will this season.