2022/23 Anthony Gordon

[twoblue]

This has been a very weird transfer saga. Id say the majority of Everton fans would have sold at 40m/45m and almost everyone here would have taken 60m. The people on talkback shows like Simon Jordan felt like 60m was too much. It's almost like Chelsea started listening to the feedback and never made that 60m bid but just put the rumors out there to see how people react. Frank was almost laughing at the 60m bid question, because he knows what's going on.

I honestly believe recruiters use fan forums for player valuations, and we wanted him to go at 40m, which is probably a red flag for them. Obviously this can't be helped, but in an ideal situation, we should have all have been singing Gordon's praises and asking for twice the price (at least ever since the transfer rumors started). I'm not saying Everton themselves should only accept 2x bids, but maybe we have to put out the perception that he is *wink wink* worth that.

Recruiters use fans forums to value players?
Not sure about that. How can Barry from Huyton, worried about the rising gas prices realistically differentiate between £45-60 million bids whilst, weighing up the future potential changes to the football business market place, and the potential profit to be made on such bids v affordable risk v tactical requirement of the Chelsea side.
There maybe a person in the room that would take a peek at the forum as part of due diligence that’s about the level it

 

[catcherintherye]

This has been a very weird transfer saga. Id say the majority of Everton fans would have sold at 40m/45m and almost everyone here would have taken 60m. The people on talkback shows like Simon Jordan felt like 60m was too much. It's almost like Chelsea started listening to the feedback and never made that 60m bid but just put the rumors out there to see how people react. Frank was almost laughing at the 60m bid question, because he knows what's going on.

I honestly believe recruiters use fan forums for player valuations, and we wanted him to go at 40m, which is probably a red flag for them. Obviously this can't be helped, but in an ideal situation, we should have all have been singing Gordon's praises and asking for twice the price (at least ever since the transfer rumors started). I'm not saying Everton themselves should only accept 2x bids, but maybe we have to put out the perception that he is *wink wink* worth that.

Mate professionals who are paid mega money to make these decisions, dont look at internet forums, and they dont listen to Simon Jordan.

It has no difference what people on here think. When you sell to someone, or buy from someone, your key focus, and only focus is what the decision maker thinks.

I suspect what is happening, is they are negotiating currently. There are always a lot of steps before an offer goes in. If you are Chelsea, you want to know that the player will move and that Everton will sell. Everton are probably talking about terms of agreements.

We theoretically paid 40m for Alli, but turns out we wont pay a penny for him. It's where headline figures are dubious. Selling him on a deal like that woild be stupidity. So we are probably asking for cash up front.

 

[catcherintherye]

If we end up keeping him this will be a decision we end up massively regret. Hope that Lampard is just playing hardball to get the maximum amount.

Of course he is.

He us saying to Chelsea you cant hope to unsettle him and we have. Theres a game of bluff in all of this.

 

[Oasis1878]

Be interesting to see if he plays today.

His heads been turned and if we’re anticipating / has been another bid then we’ll surely not want to risk injury

 

[BNJ1878]

Sounds to as though Chelsea know our cash number, and when that cash needs to hit our account.

They're fannying around offering about a third of that and loads of incentivised add ons/cast offs to make it up.

I'm all over selling Gordon for cold, hard cash, but only that. I have no interest in a bit of money and Batshuayi and Gilmour. (as an example of cast offs)

 

[Blueclouds]

We'll judge this decision at the end of the season, could have huge implications one way or the other.

How can we judge when we don't know the in and out of the bid.

 

[Barnfred 55]

It's like they put Ed Woodward in charge of transfers.

The Fofana deal makes it hard to see how they can bring in Gordon, especially if they also intend to buy Auba.

Didn't the new owners make a commitment of half a billion available for players as part of the takeover. I'm sure I saw that figure quoted.

 

[Bluewolf]

Of course he is.

He us saying to Chelsea you cant hope to unsettle him and we have. Theres a game of bluff in all of this.

I hope so.

Part of me think the whole deal hinges on broja coming to us in some capacity. That Chelsea aren't willing to let him leave until they have a striker in.

 

[Nymzee]

Big game required from you today lad.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Didn't the new owners make a commitment of half a billion available for players as part of the takeover. I'm sure I saw that figure quoted.

This is not 'Nam. This is the Premier League. There are rules.

Chelsea took a pretty hefty loss last year. They can expect to get about half of it back from adding gate receipts back in. Since they were making money pre-COVID, I would imagine that they're fine under the Prem's sustainability rules right now. If they're amortizing the present purchases over longer (5-6 year) contracts, they can probably stay fine as long as the owner makes up the resulting losses out of his own pocket up to the cap. They're going to be sell-to-buy for a few years, but otherwise this works.

Double that outlay, and the math quits working unless they start selling players. They would be committing to selling a major player every year to stay compliant, and more to make any signings. We all know how well that need worked out for us this summer.

The wild card is exactly how UEFA's replacement system for FFP, with the even less attractive acronym of FSCLR, will work. If Chelsea doesn't have to amortize transfer fees under those rules, and can effectively write them off now, spending half a billion is a way to end-run the transition period from FFP to FSCLR. If they do have to amortize, which they probably do, there is just no way that they can get down to wages plus the amortization on a half billion in transfers being under 70% of revenue three years from now without a fire sale every year. Their pre-COVID wage bill was already 75%, and they have to pay these new signings, who will largely be crowding out players on lower wages.

Spending that much right now, if they have to amortize, would be tantamount to Todd Boehly having to be Wayne Huizenga conducting the infamous Florida Marlins fire sale every year for several years, most likely starting two years from now. The best part is that they couldn't even do what Barcelona did and sell assets other than players to comply, because proceeds from such sales go on a P&L but are not considered revenue.

 

[jonnyboy316]

I think we made a big mistake not taking the money and moving on.

 

[lungo]

I think a player like Gordon is what a winning side need. Will run down and chase down anything.

SAF did it with a few players.

lOl.Yep they need more headless chicken!

 

[Ferguson1878]

Scores ther Winner today

 

[Dharma]

I think we made a big mistake not taking the money and moving on.

Perhaps it's just as well, spaffing it on players like Maupay.

 

[mahermi1]

Think it's possibly his last game to impress Chelsea into paying the extra £10-£15m we would probably accept, so if he plays I think you will see a big performance.