Are we all becoming woke snowflakes?

[Dixieslaces]

What is a feminazi?

A really aggressive Tampon

 

[Jebus_lives]

No, Western Australia.

I'm genuinely puzzled as to what point you were trying to make though? Also not sure why you are getting so upset about it ?‍

To be honest Western, I'm not quite sure at this point either.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I have a twitter. I gave up using it looking at it about a year after it started as I couldn't see the point of tiny nuggets of people's opinions with no scope to explain. Also I realised that many of the famous people I'd liked and looked up were vacuous bores.

They increased it to 240 characters, folk manage to say less with more all the time

 

[ClausThomsen]

Depend on what you would feel as the correct representation I suppose.

Black and ethnic minorities are in fact over represented as per head of population. It bizarrely compares itself to the US for representation sometimes where the racial split is widely different.

It would now be a rare thing indeed for there to be a group of people on television these days and all of them to be white, as if this cannot happen in real life.

Do you honestly believe that it's rare to see a group of white people on TV these days? Or do you think there's a slither of a chance that subconsciously you just notice the presence of non-white people a little more given the large amount of noise around representation?

I just had quick look at BBC iPlayer and there certainly seemed to be a lot of images of groups of exclusively white people. Not entirely but certainly not rare.

 

[chrismpw]

You genuinely can't imagine that more than one person thinks you're a crank?

Ah the mask of the passive aggressive troll slips towards personal insults? A fascinating move.

 

[Dixieslaces]

What about Luther, mate? He's pretty cool.

Can gay men not be strong male role models either?

Surely Luther isnt Gay?

Is he?

No issues if he is like, just alters my admiration of him somewhat, to more of a Deity figure than the machismo sort I had him down as!

My missus loves him but thats another BBC issue. Offended?

I too love him for his acting skills and if I have somehow missed that he is a Gay man, then I am ashamed!

Sort of like as a Brothers Osbourne fan of some many years(American Country) check em out they make some damn fine tunes and John is a Damn Fine Guitarist, but at the Concert I missed the Watford game for(Thank the Lord Elvis for that small mercy!) The Lead singer TJ Osbourne, they are Brothers, obviously! Said that coming out during the Pandemic was the biggest thing about the Pandemic for him!

I was like, Woah there, rewind a little dude!! How did I miss this massive news? I mean a little distracted with Covid yes but Music is my life, well that and Everton! I thought it strange especially given that Country, doesnt do gay, not openly anyway, Brokeback Mountain does not count!!!!

Fair play to him I thought, having worked in the Ents industry for 12 years in the late 80's and 90's I know how much of a hard time(no pun intended!) the Gay community got after AIDS and all that jazz!

Anyway ramble over,

is Luther gay?

Christ on a Bike!

 

[davids]

Are you sure you're not just wound up because women are finally taking some of the bigger roles?

Think if you look back many women had major roles. Prime Suspect in the early 90s. Secret Army from the 70s has two female roles who are possibly the bravest characters in the show. Put those against the dire DI Ray that was maybe one of the worst series of the last few years as it's writers walked on eggshells to fit the woke agenda.

 

[chrismpw]

What? Just asking a genuine question mate.

You said you'd like to see balance in the BBC. I'm just asking you how you've come to the conclusion that there's too much positive discrimination and who do you think is underrepresented?

Well interestingly I saw a statement a few months back that the BBC is positively discriminating in order to get (I forget the exact figure - let's say 20% of its employees to come from BAME backgrounds. Not much wrong with this per se, but the %population in the UK that were BAME was something like 5% lower than this - so they will end up being over-represented. They seem to be doing all they can to appear to favour minority interests, but its at the cost of the majority - for whom they've dropped the ball.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Needs a rogue wind turbine

with Duncan Ferguson riding it.

 

[Papa Shango]

Restrictions on what behaviours, including words and opinions, are considered acceptable is not something that has recently been started. There has always, in every single society and era, been a rough consensus on what is acceptable dependent on a huge number of fluctuating factors. Whether it's the Sicilian training camp of Scipio Africanus in 205 BC, the Court of Louis XVI in the dying months of the French Monarchy or Liverpool gravediggers in a Union meeting during the Winter of Discontent there were restrictions on what was considered acceptable behaviour and words or opinions that would have seen someone shown the door.....or worse.

All way before websites and this pesky snowflake wokeness came along.

Freedom of speech is widely available. Just because a particular site, forum or platform has their own rules on what is or isn't acceptable for them it doesn't mean you don't have that freedom. If people want to make certain statements, jokes or express any ideological views then regardless of what they are there will be a platform somewhere out there where you are free to do so and express the most outlandish opinions with all manner of individuals. More so than in any other period in history.

One particular site such as GOT, or any other, having rules regarding what is acceptable on their site in no way curtails anybody's freedom of speech. And if someone calls somebody else out on their views then they also are not restricting freedom of speech. Even in the ultimately unimportant world of football there are posts that would get likes on 19 PL clubs fansites but get me banned on 1.

If you truly believe in "absolute" freedom of speech then you have to accept there is the freedom to criticise, rebuke or even in some very rare circumstances be booted off a privately owned website. I don't see an awful lot of tiptoeing around subjects on GOT or perfect people - but I have seen some some pretty amazing views argued against. I've yet to see the conversation dry up or the fun die.

There are and always will be those who fall by various waysides despite repeated warnings that certain statements or behaviours aren't acceptable in a particular place. If they can't wrap their head around the idea that not everything is acceptable everywhere at all times then that's their own shortcomings coming to the fore - not the work of a new fangled restrictive woke conspiracy.

People love to throw around the "Freedom of Speech part".

I think they misunderstand the point of Freedom of Speech, it is there so that people to not get oppressed etc, it's not there to stand behind when someone says something crap and people pull them up on it.

 

[Papa Shango]

Well interestingly I saw a statement a few months back that the BBC is positively discriminating in order to get (I forget the exact figure - let's say 20% of its employees to come from BAME backgrounds. Not much wrong with this per se, but the %population in the UK that were BAME was something like 5% lower than this - so they will end up being over-represented. They seem to be doing all they can to appear to favour minority interests, but its at the cost of the majority - for whom they've dropped the ball.

They could just be ahead of the curve as that number will probably go up soon enough.

Technically you could say that they also represent the people who are not bothered what colour a person on TV is one way or the other.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Surely Luther isnt Gay?

Is he?

No issues if he is like, just alters my admiration of him somewhat, to more of a Deity figure than the machismo sort I had him down as!

My missus loves him but thats another BBC issue. Offended?

I too love him for his acting skills and if I have somehow missed that he is a Gay man, then I am ashamed!

Sort of like as a Brothers Osbourne fan of some many years(American Country) check em out they make some damn fine tunes and John is a Damn Fine Guitarist, but at the Concert I missed the Watford game for(Thank the Lord Elvis for that small mercy!) The Lead singer TJ Osbourne, they are Brothers, obviously! Said that coming out during the Pandemic was the biggest thing about the Pandemic for him!

I was like, Woah there, rewind a little dude!! How did I miss this massive news? I mean a little distracted with Covid yes but Music is my life, well that and Everton! I thought it strange especially given that Country, doesnt do gay, not openly anyway, Brokeback Mountain does not count!!!!

Fair play to him I thought, having worked in the Ents industry for 12 years in the late 80's and 90's I know how much of a hard time(no pun intended!) the Gay community got after AIDS and all that jazz!

Anyway ramble over,

is Luther gay?

Christ on a Bike!

Nah, Luther's whole thing was about getting over his dead wife. Chris was just a bit miffed about the lack of strong male characters in BBC dramas. So I gave an example of one he'd overlooked, for some reason.

I had planned to use Sherlock as an example but his sexuality is intentionally ambiguous and its a crap show anyway. Hence my second question.

 

[Charro]

Think if you look back many women had major roles. Prime Suspect in the early 90s. Secret Army from the 70s has two female roles who are possibly the bravest characters in the show. Put those against the dire DI Ray that was maybe one of the worst series of the last few years as it's writers walked on eggshells to fit the woke agenda.

It's ok for women to have strong roles isn't it? There's certainly been plenty of strong male characters through the years, a lot, lot more than women.

White men, have predominantly taken these roles. Get away from the BBC and look at the history of TV, it's most popular shows and it's lead characters. It is almost all exclusively white men.

Now we're seeing a lot more diversity on our screens, people are taking issue. There's still more than enough roles for white men, so I don't think you need to be concerned.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Do you honestly believe that it's rare to see a group of white people on TV these days? Or do you think there's a slither of a chance that subconsciously you just notice the presence of non-white people a little more given the large amount of noise around representation?

I just had quick look at BBC iPlayer and there certainly seemed to be a lot of images of groups of exclusively white people. Not entirely but certainly not rare.

Well with constant noise of representation it can't help but make you more aware of the ethnic makeup of groups you watch.

However this representation on television does not in fact echo the actual population which is what people seem to be asking for.

If this was to be the case there would be less black people on television and more East Asian people of which there is a conspicuous lack of on our screens and what's more, no push for there to be more equally represented.

The lack of representation is not on screen for black people, it is more behind the scenes in the upper echelons of film making and television.

 

[Amw79]

Well with constant noise of representation it can't help but make you more aware of the ethnic makeup of groups you watch.

However this representation on television does not in fact echo the actual population which is what people seem to be asking for.

If this was to be the case there would be less black people on television and more East Asian people of which there is a conspicuous lack of on our screens and what's more, no push for there to be more equally represented.

The lack of representation is not on screen for black people, it is more behind the scenes in the upper echelons of film making and television.

Think that last para is a good point. It should also be noted though, that getting on the first rung of acting, is a pathway to producer / director roles for many in the industry.