Are we all becoming woke snowflakes?

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

The reaction to the remake of Ghostbusters was excellent. Heads blowing all over the gaff on various social media platforms.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

I'd actually be down with an animated or cgi version of Bond, with animals being cast or used as avatars

Curious to see if folk would get rage about an Aardvark Bond.

 

[Everstone]

Yes mate, those structural issues are really just a conspiracy against white men. History's real victims.

Just look at how long men had the vote before women in Britain. A paltry amount of time.
We would all be led to believe it was forever. Even then it was about 50 percent still couldnt.
There is truth in your statement.

Restrictions on what behaviours, including words and opinions, are considered acceptable is not something that has recently been started. There has always, in every single society and era, been a rough consensus on what is acceptable dependent on a huge number of fluctuating factors. Whether it's the Sicilian training camp of Scipio Africanus in 205 BC, the Court of Louis XVI in the dying months of the French Monarchy or Liverpool gravediggers in a Union meeting during the Winter of Discontent there were restrictions on what was considered acceptable behaviour and words or opinions that would have seen someone shown the door.....or worse.

All way before websites and this pesky snowflake wokeness came along.

Freedom of speech is widely available. Just because a particular site, forum or platform has their own rules on what is or isn't acceptable for them it doesn't mean you don't have that freedom. If people want to make certain statements, jokes or express any ideological views then regardless of what they are there will be a platform somewhere out there where you are free to do so and express the most outlandish opinions with all manner of individuals. More so than in any other period in history.

One particular site such as GOT, or any other, having rules regarding what is acceptable on their site in no way curtails anybody's freedom of speech. And if someone calls somebody else out on their views then they also are not restricting freedom of speech. Even in the ultimately unimportant world of football there are posts that would get likes on 19 PL clubs fansites but get me banned on 1.

If you truly believe in "absolute" freedom of speech then you have to accept there is the freedom to criticise, rebuke or even in some very rare circumstances be booted off a privately owned website. I don't see an awful lot of tiptoeing around subjects on GOT or perfect people - but I have seen some some pretty amazing views argued against. I've yet to see the conversation dry up or the fun die.

There are and always will be those who fall by various waysides despite repeated warnings that certain statements or behaviours aren't acceptable in a particular place. If they can't wrap their head around the idea that not everything is acceptable everywhere at all times then that's their own shortcomings coming to the fore - not the work of a new fangled restrictive woke conspiracy.

Restrictive speech on the internet is just a symptom of the deeper lying issues in society. Im sure if you lived in post world war one germany you might understand the consequences of a slippery slope.
Its all good and well writing about historical incidents and comparing them to the current situation. However, i live in the now and the last 20 years in Scotland have demonstrated a decline in many positive factors. One of which is the usage of words.
I like that we are all different, i dont like that being different gives you power over others.
Perhaps it would have been prudent of me to mention that with freedom of speech comes responsibility.
A joke however is only a joke, unless of course you can prove malice.
What do you think of the cinemas banning films in the uk?
All because of fear…
Dont forget history has a habit of repeating itself. Maybe we should be free to discuss everything.
And thanks for your well thought out and frankly fair opinion.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

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Ha, pre-twitter. More innocent times.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

The reaction to the remake of Ghostbusters was excellent. Heads blowing all over the gaff on various social media platforms.

I mean, it was unfunny to the point of being unwatchable.

Whereas with several of the same cast, the original screenplay Bridesmaids is one of my favourite comedies.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

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Swap him out for a Newt, chuck it up on Twitter...

KABOOM! Amphibian lives matter! No, all aquatic species lives matter etc etc.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I mean, it was unfunny to the point of being unwatchable.

Whereas with several of the same cast, the original screenplay Bridesmaids is one of my favourite comedies.

I don't think a lot of folk watched it though. Just seethed. And counter seethed.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

I don't think a lot of folk watched it though. Just seethed. And counter seethed.

I watched it worried that the whole thing was just to have done it with females instead of males.

And unfortunately that appeared to be the case. Poorly scripted and acted but at least it's not just men who are Ghostbusters now.

 

[Jebus_lives]

The reaction to the remake of Ghostbusters was excellent. Heads blowing all over the gaff on various social media platforms.

I know which cast I'd like to ectoplasm!

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I watched it worried that the whole thing was just to have done it with females instead of males.

And unfortunately that appeared to be the case. Poorly scripted and acted but at least it's not just men who are Ghostbusters now.

No one won did they?

 

[ClausThomsen]

Well with constant noise of representation it can't help but make you more aware of the ethnic makeup of groups you watch.

However this representation on television does not in fact echo the actual population which is what people seem to be asking for.

If this was to be the case there would be less black people on television and more East Asian people of which there is a conspicuous lack of on our screens and what's more, no push for there to be more equally represented.

The lack of representation is not on screen for black people, it is more behind the scenes in the upper echelons of film making and television.

But do you still stand by....

"It would now be a rare thing indeed for there to be a group of people on television these days and all of them to be white"

I think the figures of National demographics are not wholly useful. There are more shows set in London for instance than many other places and though I don't have the figures I'd imagine the cultural and racial demographics in any major capital, certainly western, are notably different from those of the nation as a whole.

So any show or story set there would, or should, if done with that in mind reflect that. The national demographics have nothing to do with it as storytelling isn't evenly spread all over the nation.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

No one won did they?

Exactly, as a fan of Ghostbusters and Bridesmaids it could have been great.

Instead it was just a mess that has helped nobody.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Happy to open this particular can of worms.

As a shape shifting alien I have absolutely no problem with Dr Who being other than male sometimes.

I do however object to programmes being laced with social lessons at every turn rather than being based on entertainment.

I suppose the James Bond thing will be the next in this discussion. Happy to say I do not want a black Bond or a female Bond or anything other than a white posh (or Scottish) Bond. I have the character in my head and do not want it to be dramatically reinvented. In similar fashion I would not want to see a white Shaft etc.

Make a new film or TV show with new characters and if it's good I will gladly watch and support it.

No John Holmes for you then...

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Exactly, as a fan of Ghostbusters and Bridesmaids it could have been great.

Instead it was just a mess that has helped nobody.

I've a feeling that even if it was brilliant, the same response in some quarters would have carried on. Keeps me amused at least. Aaaaegh, virtue signalling casting! Aaaargh patriarchal misogyny! Aaaaargh femnazis! Aaaargh incels.

Hmmm, bit like this thread actually.

 

[ClausThomsen]

Exactly, as a fan of Ghostbusters and Bridesmaids it could have been great.

Instead it was just a mess that has helped nobody.

That'll be Ghostbusters II as well.