Are we all becoming woke snowflakes?

[COYBL25]

I'd like to see @bigbadjeff unbanned to offer us an honest review of such an advert.

He`s currently fully occupied, with his new job as a roadie for Marilyn Manson.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Are people actually having a go at the gender swap Ghost Busters which is hilarious. And the female doctor who? Ah here.

OK grand pa every movie and show that swaps genders coincidently all of them happen to be bad... nothing else at play here.

'Trading places' is a remake of 'the prince and the pauper' and a gosh darn terrific effort all said and done. relevant because Eddie Murphy is an African American man.

 

[The Legend of Southall]

I was coaching girls football back in the 90s before it became popular and became more mainstream. I also followed a successful local ladies team home and away for a few years. Then one day that team drew against Chelsea ladies in the FA cup. The skill level of both teams was about on par - the difference was that the Chelsea team had been coached unto cheating and gamesmanship- diving, appealing for everything, snidey little professional fouls. Was horrible to watch. Next what happened was that small teams like Doncaster who held the flag for women's football for decades were utterly destroyed as the model became all about the established sky brands and their money. This is why I lost interest in it - they abandoned their history and identity and just tried to copy the men's game - which I also have lost interest in.

Already starting to hear rumblings about women footballers wanting equal pay with the mens.

It will always be about the money. It ruins absolutely everything.

 

[trueblue84]

@emir - come on, Plato... enlighten us.

 

[chrismpw]

Surely programmes Leads, characters and stories are still the same in terms of how interesting they should be generally regardless of the % representations of the typrs of faces that are assigned to them.

If I am interested in comedy, I am looking for the punchline not who delivers the joke, for example

I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm pointing out where the woke bbc in using positive discrimination is discriminating on the grounds of race, rather than choosing the best persons fir the job. Any such form of discrimination is surely bad, but they, the ciffee bar chattering, virtue signalling, brainless dolts running the institution, apparently, are oblivious to this.

 

[Bungle]

He`s currently fully occupied, with his new job as a roadie for Marilyn Manson.

I imagine he's still trying to come to terms with Meatloafs death and has just spent 6 months staring at his back tattoo in the mirror crying to himself.

 

[ClausThomsen]

You seem to be hanging everything on the word rare. I'll change it to rarer and move on.

The BBC is not meant to be reflective of London, it is meant to be reflective of the British population. And again, even if you wish to take London, East Asian people are not adequately reflected in this which suggests it is more based upon being seen to be representative rather than being based in actuality.

In my defence "rare" was a particularly defining adjective in that sentence given the context. If I image-searched several popular TV shows over the last 10 years there's a good chance I'll see plenty of images of groups of exclusively white people in the publicity shots or stills from the show.

I was using London as an example. The fact of the matter is that most fictional programs, which make up a huge chunk of TV, are set in major metropolitan areas where the demographic likely varies from the national demographic. Several types of story are very well suited to such settings and maybe not so much to others.

I don't recall making this observation solely about the BBC but given the nature of threads there can be plenty of cross-posting and mixing in. I was just arguing that straight mimicking of the national demographic isn't necessarily what is required for making TV shows.

And I don't dispute for one second that East Asian people are not adequately reflected. I don't think that's a reason to shoot every person or organisation in the whole endeavour down though. Maybe I'm just less cynical

 

[chrismpw]

Already starting to hear rumblings about women footballers wanting equal pay with the mens.

It will always be about the money. It ruins absolutely everything.

Yet when men justify their horrifically obscene levels of pay, they point to the money the game collects from viewers. The same argument absolutely cannot be made currently from the few thousand screaming schoolkids and their mums who constitute the bulk of the crowds at the women's games I've attended. The same money isn't there - so why should they be paid the same? Why aren't cricketers paid the same as footballers? Same argument. But what women want they get in this brave new world, because there are so many labels invented to throw at anybody who stands in their way with rational arguments and the snowflakes melt away.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

In my defence "rare" was a particularly defining adjective in that sentence given the context. If I image-searched several popular TV shows over the last 10 years there's a good chance I'll see plenty of images of groups of exclusively white people in the publicity shots or stills from the show.

I was using London as an example. The fact of the matter is that most fictional programs, which make up a huge chunk of TV, are set in major metropolitan areas where the demographic likely varies from the national demographic. Several types of story are very well suited to such settings and maybe not so much to others.

I don't recall making this observation solely about the BBC but given the nature of threads there can be plenty of cross-posting and mixing in. I was just arguing that straight mimicking of the national demographic isn't necessarily what is required for making TV shows.

And I don't dispute for one second that East Asian people are not adequately reflected. I don't think that's a reason to shoot every person or organisation in the whole endeavour down though. Maybe I'm just less cynical

So on what basis are people underrepresented other than based on the national demographic?

 

[Bohemian Toffee]

@emir - come on, Plato... enlighten us.

@emir is more in line with Aristotle if we're comparing him them to Greek philosophers.

Yep, that's right, I am joining a woke thread to point out how men who died a couple of thousand years back defined gender roles.

 

[PKwalnuts]

I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm pointing out where the woke bbc in using positive discrimination is discriminating on the grounds of race, rather than choosing the best persons fir the job. Any such form of discrimination is surely bad, but they, the ciffee bar chattering, virtue signalling, brainless dolts running the institution, apparently, are oblivious to this.

OK, but arent you basing this opinion on your belief that people casting in the BBC are doing so from a point of discrimination? Is it not possible that they are doing so on capability and as a result there is now more diversity regardless of percentages?

 

[coollino]

you can't even call it an Full English these days, it's just called a Full

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Hope this thread lasts until Christmas and we can hear the annual cry of, “There’s a black family in the Tesco’s Christmas advert. It’s wokeness gone mad! Boycott Tesco!”

Don't worry, no one will be able to afford food or gifts this Christmas at this rate so I don't think we'll see any ads.

Shame really.

 

[Death]

'Trading places' is a remake of 'the prince and the pauper' and a gosh darn terrific effort all said and done. relevant because Eddie Murphy is an African American man.

Nah wasn't really a fan. That was back then when it was soley an artistic choice. Wasn't chosen solely cause he was black. I like the new ones where that's the one and only reason. It's about the message.

Trading places was just incidental. They don't get any points from me for that.

 

[Jebus_lives]

you can't even call it an Full English these days, it's just called a Full

I've heard it called a Fry. Because 'English' triggers the millennials