Are we to blame?

[Librarian]

Now hear me out on this but I’ve been thinking that there has to be something else that is a consistent in the failure of repeated Everton managers with an owner backing them financially. Obviously it’s not nice to hear this but do we as fans cause the toxicity around our club that means all are doomed to fail? Not saying it’s entirely the fans fault but the atmosphere of hysteria created by Evertonians is worse than Geordies, young players abused by fat dars or over hyped by FIFA obsessed millennials don’t stand a chance. Current narrative is that Moshiri is failing Everton but in my mind the fans are in cahoots with him after celebrating wildly a rich stranger taking over the club more than we celebrated the last trophy in 1995. Evertonians deserve better is a strap line used often but why do they deserve better and is this part of the entitled narrative that burdens anyone trying to fix the problem? Some, well many, Evertonians sabotage managerial appointments from the start as it wasn’t the manager they wanted and scouted themselves, so want to be proved right in their heads by the manager’s failure rather than Everton success.

We’re absolute tits the lot of us, sample evidence you have to spell it ‘Rafffa’ to swerve the sweat filter, that’s next level childish

 

[Furey1878]

First I hear Berto M is coming back now this bozo???

 

[Rob17896]

Now hear me out on this but I’ve been thinking that there has to be something else that is a consistent in the failure of repeated Everton managers with an owner backing them financially. Obviously it’s not nice to hear this but do we as fans cause the toxicity around our club that means all are doomed to fail? Not saying it’s entirely the fans fault but the atmosphere of hysteria created by Evertonians is worse than Geordies, young players abused by fat dars or over hyped by FIFA obsessed millennials don’t stand a chance. Current narrative is that Moshiri is failing Everton but in my mind the fans are in cahoots with him after celebrating wildly a rich stranger taking over the club more than we celebrated the last trophy in 1995. Evertonians deserve better is a strap line used often but why do they deserve better and is this part of the entitled narrative that burdens anyone trying to fix the problem? Some, well many, Evertonians sabotage managerial appointments from the start as it wasn’t the manager they wanted and scouted themselves, so want to be proved right in their heads by the manager’s failure rather than Everton success.

Moshiri is like the fans. CL Managers taking over run of the mill teams, wetting himself if we are not in the top half of the table, no patience. Not defending Benitez by the way but if Moshiri had a genuine vision of what Benitez could do for us then he should have the balls to support him.

Fans want it all now, or at least we do. That is fine but Moshiri should have a bigger vision than that. Every manager is booted at the first sign of trouble and Moshiri bends to pressure every time. Our next manager needs to be one of 'potential' who is given time to do that as long as we are not getting relegated. Rooney, Lampard, Potter perhaps. They are our level with the potential to be better, just like the club has potential but is where it is.

Fans need to accept the facts, Moshiri does. Not accept defeats or relegation but that we can't just buy success and need to create a club around a manager like we did with Moyes.

 

[GS Blue - LIVERPOOL FAN]

I'm sure I'll take stick for this but the hatred for the reds is one of our biggest problems.

It's almost become our identity now. How much we can hate the reds to the detriment of actually supporting the blues.

Blue father Christmas suits. No flags or songs as that's kopite behaviour. I sometimes wonder if we actually want to win anything as that's something the RS do.

The atmosphere has become toxic and desperate. I can understand it. We've watched them win as we falter time and time again. But we have to start concentrating on ourselves. Accept some things we dont really want to hear.

We were always going to make it difficult for benitez. Now he's gone, we have to start creating some positivity or we will forever be destined to fail.

 

[lungo]

Our only crime is impatience.

If you do what the fans want you are f....d. After crying for blood and getting their will they want you to hire a brain dead alcoholic Man United fan. (LOL).
Moshiri hasnt a clue and hires guys like Brands (not a clue either) and then he wants to play football manager (the game) himself with a real club and real money. The result you can see at Everton FC!

 

[Simo]

This post (despite your rep for the wind up) is literally bang on. A symbol of the issues you raise about our fan base was the treatment of the originals who wanted to create an atmosphere and where bombed out by everton dars and stewards within the first 15 minutes of the first game. Any notion of positivity is derided as “kopite behaviour“ and you can’t help but think this transmits to the players. It doesn’t help that the average age of people in the ground are mainly my age (40 plus). We need to get younger fans who want to get behind the team, and encourage when we are under pressure. The only real time we see goodison rocking ”the bearpit “ is when a perceived injustice has occurred either by the ref or snide behaviour from opposition players.

The hysterical and often toxic online abuse of fellow Evertonians, the players and the board (the latter largely deserved) troubles me as some of this just becomes part of the dna of the club, namely anger, failure and humourless behaviour of a sizeable section of our online activity, this must transmit to the players to some degree.

I don’t see much changing in the short term but hoping that the ground move gives us the opportunity to have a more vibrant atmosphere. Online I’m not sure how to solve that other than winning some footie matches.

This.

I do think that we, the fans, need to be (positively) more vocal. The game yesterday, we didn't experience good play, nor did we have our hopeful expectations met, but we ourselves, need to play our part.
There were often quiet times amongst us. Yes we was always on the back foot, but we too have a responsibility to get behind our players come rain or shine and give them a lift.

 

[Muggins]

Fair play to the 12.2% of the vote so far that admitted they are just simply dead angry at a screen. Really this has 100% of the vote in all of our subconsciouses.

 

[Frenk]

I think certain other fans would have taken a more hardline approach to some of the crap we have had to put up with. I think the club became happy to bathe in the pool of mediocrity and the fans went along all too easy. Sayings like the peoples clubs didn’t help, it’s tacky and sounds small time. It’s hard to say this, but I think we do have to carry some of the responsibility, yes.

 

[chicoazul]

Are we to blame?

NO

Own it.

 

[4737carlin]

I'm sure I'll take stick for this but the hatred for the reds is one of our biggest problems.

It's almost become our identity now. How much we can hate the reds to the detriment of actually supporting the blues.

Blue father Christmas suits. No flags or songs as that's kopite behaviour. I sometimes wonder if we actually want to win anything as that's something the RS do.

The atmosphere has become toxic and desperate. I can understand it. We've watched them win as we falter time and time again. But we have to start concentrating on ourselves. Accept some things we dont really want to hear.

We were always going to make it difficult for benitez. Now he's gone, we have to start creating some positivity or we will forever be destined to fail.

Interesting point this, losing to City and Chelsea is almost a highlight of the season, infact the last time we really had a celebration was away at Spurs last game of the season when it was confirmed City had won.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

I don't really think Everton fans are unique.

Glancing at the Guardian's MBM report of the West Ham - Leeds game earlier, it mentioned how the atmosphere at the London stadium had greatly improved of late along with the results and performances. We even got a bit of a name check when saying that the atmosphere before Moyes had been up there with the 'Goodison groan'.

Imo, all fanbases are reactive to what they're seeing on the pitch at any given time and to what they've witnessed (or heard/read about) in the past. We've had almost 3 decades of relative mediocrity. Any fan will groan seeing the first misplaced pass or defensive mix up after 40 seconds if the previous 5, 10 or 15 matches have been full of misplaced passes and defensive mix ups. Whereas, if the team usually starts slowly but gradually gets into the game and always competes, there'll be roars of encouragement after the first mistake

If you watch the rs ( as a lot of you seem to) losing at home to Watford, there's a good chance the fans will be defiantly singing because they're pretty sure that the next game they could beat Chelsea 3-0. Why, because they've had repeated experience of that kind of result. There've been more good times than bad times for 2 generations.
However, if they lose that next game to Chelsea, then draw with Southampton, then lose to City, if they're then losing at home to Wolves, the groans will start.
So now put Liverpool or Utd or City in a position where they haven't won anything, anything at all, for 26 years, often watching truly awful fare, and you'd hear the groans every week.

When negative expectations outweigh your positive hopes, it's rough.

 

[ToffeeDevil]

Are you from Newcastle mate? Welcome to GOT.

? I don't get it

 

[Librarian]

 

[Vegas Toffee Girl]

I think we've had too many players that are just happy to get a big paycheck and have no ambition/drive to win the league or anything else.

Also, I believe Everton has an inferiority complex when it comes to our neighbors across the park and being anything more than mid-table in the league.

If the club doesn't have a sports psychologist yet, they need one ASAP.

 

[degsy]

@chicoazul
From Clive Marshall regular match goer, via Toffeeweb.
... "There was a moment when the Benitez regime fell apart. At home to Watford, on Saturday 23 October, with an hour gone, at 1-1, and with a returning Richarlison on the bench, up went the board for Richarlison to replace. Gordon. The crowd couldn't believe it.
Until that point no one was on Benitez back. Everyone could see what a poor side we were and what little he had to work with. No one blamed Benitez for bringing Salomon Rondon to the club. With no money he had to bring in a centre forward for precisely the eventuality we'd faced - no DCL and no Richy. But for an hour against Watford Rondon had delivered the most complete non-performance ever witnessed at Goodison Park.

At that moment Benitez lost the crowd. Within a couple of minutes we took a 2-1 lead, but that didn't repair the damage. As the boos rang out and the Watford goals rained in I witnessed our captain in heated argument with the people at the front of the Lower Bullens. Seamus was angrily asking for support; the crowd clearly replied as they gestured towards Rondon on the half way line that this wasn't a question of support, but one of outrage that Rondon had been left on the field by Benitez.

And I saw the captain shrug.

At that point I knew we were in the most profound trouble and had to change the Benitez leadership before it dragged us into the bottom three"...