Art

[TyphooToffee]

The only painting that I've ever done is a watercolour, and it was at that time that I realised I had no imagination.

I don't have the imagination either, I have to copy from a photo. If I was one of those contestants on Artist of the Year I think I'd have to take a photo of the sitter or the landscape and work from that.

This is the latest painting we've been given to copy in the art class I attend

 

[Cels]

I don't have the imagination either, I have to copy from a photo. If I was one of those contestants on Artist of the Year I think I'd have to take a photo of the sitter or the landscape and work from that.

This is the latest painting we've been given to copy in the art class I attend

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How long do you get to complete it? Also, do you feel confident about doing painting?

 

[Cels]

I quite like it

That's it really. If you like a certain piece, then you like it. No matter who painted it or what anyone says about the work, it 'connects' with you on some level. I can look for ages at, and get lost in, some of van Goghs' work, but I have mates who say things like "My 5yr old granddaughter could do better than that".

As for abstract stuff, I kind of like this:

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[TyphooToffee]

How long do you get to complete it? Also, do you feel confident about doing painting?

The class is very relaxed, I haven't finished anything started in there. The landscape I started from an outside sketch over a month ago isn't finished despite three attempts, and a nude (another copy) although appearing on the class website in its early stage, was eventually torn up. Since that was abandoned, everyone but me uses acrylics and were quite well into painting this latest one after 90 mins. I was too but I wasn't happy with the proportions so started it again in acrylics when I got home. That was a disaster and reaffirmed why I don't like using acrylics, so I carried on with my original in gouache by gridding up the head on both the photo and my painting. After the course is finished there's an exhibition in Hall Place, a local stately home, so I want to finish at least one painting from the course, despite having some sketches done prior to the course that are worth submitting. The proportion thing has been addressed an it's ready to be finished in class tomorrow.

I start another, council-run this time, course in January that will be better for me as it's watercolour/gouache only and probably better taught and stricter, meaning I'm more likely to finish tasks started there.

 

[TyphooToffee]

That's it really. If you like a certain piece, then you like it. No matter who painted it or what anyone says about the work, it 'connects' with you on some level. I can look for ages at, and get lost in, some of van Goghs' work, but I have mates who say things like "My 5yr old granddaughter could do better than that".

As for abstract stuff, I kind of like this:

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Now that isn't something that you'd think a child might have painted. I'd love to be able to paint like that because it not only looks good, it's a conversation piece. It reminds me of a warped Hot Wheels track

 

[Cels]

The class is very relaxed, I haven't finished anything started in there. The landscape I started from an outside sketch over a month ago isn't finished despite three attempts, and a nude (another copy) although appearing on the class website in its early stage, was eventually torn up. Since that was abandoned, everyone but me uses acrylics and were quite well into painting this latest one after 90 mins. I was too but I wasn't happy with the proportions so started it again in acrylics when I got home. That was a disaster and reaffirmed why I don't like using acrylics, so I carried on with my original in gouache by gridding up the head on both the photo and my painting. After the course is finished there's an exhibition in Hall Place, a local stately home, so I want to finish at least one painting from the course, despite having some sketches done prior to the course that are worth submitting. The proportion thing has been addressed an it's ready to be finished in class tomorrow.

I start another, council-run this time, course in January that will be better for me as it's watercolour/gouache only and probably better taught and stricter, meaning I'm more likely to finish tasks started there.

The 'inner critic' can be harsh at times, and I guess being able to step back and say: "Yes. I'm happy with that", and then walk away satisfied that you've completed a piece of work, isn't always that easy. The course you are starting in Jan sounds good, with a possible stricter view of finishing paintings and making you more disciplined.

So, once you're reached a level that you are happy with, using watercolour/gouache, would you consider taking yourself out of your comfort zone (so to speak) and revisiting using acrylics or oils? I just feel that you'll be missing out on a whole world of artistic exploration if you limit yourself to one style/technique, which would be a shame.

 

[Cels]

Now that isn't something that you'd think a child might have painted. I'd love to be able to paint like that because it not only looks good, it's a conversation piece. It reminds me of a warped Hot Wheels track

This is what I meant about liking a piece of art and not being concerned about the artist or the view of critics. That painting was the work of an artist called Bakhari... a chimpanzee at a zoo in Missouri. But I like it.

This one was done by a Gorilla named Joseph:



This one by an Orangutan named Samantha:


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It really does make you think twice about art and artist, and even animals and what's going on in their heads.

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[Raindog]

This is what I meant about liking a piece of art and not being concerned about the artist or the view of critics. That painting was the work of an artist called Bakhari... a chimpanzee at a zoo in Missouri. But I like it.

This one was done by a Gorilla named Joseph:

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This one by an Orangutan named Samantha:

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It really does make you think twice about art and artist, and even animals and what's going on in their heads.

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Now I know this is after the big reveal and all, and you're welcome to call shenanigans if you wish, but that Bakhari piece didn't really do anything for me, especially compared to the last piece we were referring to. I wonder why? Maybe something subtle that the untrained pick up on without knowing why, or maybe just coincidence.

Genuine wonder, mind, not an antagonistic wind-up.

 

[LEONARD]

Spent a couple of hours in The Walker art gallery today, nice pot of tea in the cafe afterwards.

 

[Cels]

Now I know this is after the big reveal and all, and you're welcome to call shenanigans if you wish, but that Bakhari piece didn't really do anything for me, especially compared to the last piece we were referring to. I wonder why? Maybe something subtle that the untrained pick up on without knowing why, or maybe just coincidence.

Genuine wonder, mind, not an antagonistic wind-up.

Not going to be calling shenanigans; you liked one painting and not the other. I see it being as simple as that

 

[TyphooToffee]

Now I know this is after the big reveal and all, and you're welcome to call shenanigans if you wish, but that Bakhari piece didn't really do anything for me, especially compared to the last piece we were referring to. I wonder why? Maybe something subtle that the untrained pick up on without knowing why, or maybe just coincidence.

Genuine wonder, mind, not an antagonistic wind-up.

I liked it as soon as I looked at it. I did wonder why the top part of the painting, even though it made the rest stand out more. I actually liked the look of original painting that started this debate and, after looking closely at it, I could see some thought had gone into it, but I preferred the look of the chimp's painting. I wouldn't pay fortunes for any painting anyway but It just goes to prove that art is in the eye of the beholder and that art critics can kiss my hairy backside.

 

[TyphooToffee]

Not going to be calling shenanigans; you liked one painting and not the other. I see it being as simple as that

I wouldn't have either, it was a perfectly valid point @Raindog made. I never report anyone anyway, I'd prefer to argue the toss and, if I get any gratuitous abuse from anyone, just put them on ignore.

 

[Raindog]

I liked it as soon as I looked at it. I did wonder why the top part of the painting, even though it made the rest stand out more. I actually liked the look of original painting that started this debate and, after looking closely at it, I could see some thought had gone into it, but I preferred the look of the chimp's painting. I wouldn't pay fortunes for any painting anyway but It just goes to prove that art is in the eye of the beholder and that art critics can kiss my hairy backside.

I wouldn't have either, it was a perfectly valid point @Raindog made. I never report anyone anyway, I'd prefer to argue the toss and, if I get any gratuitous abuse from anyone, just put them on ignore.

Think you guys may be taking me a little seriously! I meant call shenanigans as not believing me as I only said I didn't previously like the picture after finding out is was done by a monkey...

Anyway, at the risk of dragging this thread back on topic, I'd like to talk about what you said regarding not emulating others, and expand a bit on my previous post on the matter.. Once you find out what others are doing, you can better appreciate what's being done (if that doesn't sound too obvious) or at hhe very least appreciate the technique required.

Have a listen to this:




A year ago I would have hated this, but as I've got more into my bass playing, and music in general, I've started hearing and appreciating things I wasn't aware of before and have more of a general sense of what's going on, albeit still very limited. Now I love it. I got the chance to see these guys give a clinic, and to see it live was a real eye opener. One thing they said was everything they played was going to be in the context of the blues. What they played sounded nothing like, so in the Q&A I asked them how it could be considered blues. When they stripped everything but the root chords away, there hidden underneath it all was a very simple 12-bar blues progression.

 

[Cels]

I wouldn't have either, it was a perfectly valid point @Raindog made. I never report anyone anyway, I'd prefer to argue the toss and, if I get any gratuitous abuse from anyone, just put them on ignore.

Not really understanding your post mate. I feel that you may have gotten the wrong impression from the exchange between myself and Raindog. He was telling me that he didn't like the 'Chimp' painting from the start, before learning of its history. I was just letting him know that I believed him and had no intention of making out that he was lying about it. Personally, I knew the history of the 'Chimp' painting but like it anyway. I feel it flows nicely and also draws your attention towards the centre.

 

[Cels]

Think you guys may be taking me a little seriously! I meant call shenanigans as not believing me as I only said I didn't previously like the picture after finding out is was done by a monkey...

Anyway, at the risk of dragging this thread back on topic, I'd like to talk about what you said regarding not emulating others, and expand a bit on my previous post on the matter.. Once you find out what others are doing, you can better appreciate what's being done (if that doesn't sound too obvious) or at hhe very least appreciate the technique required.

Have a listen to this:




A year ago I would have hated this, but as I've got more into my bass playing, and music in general, I've started hearing and appreciating things I wasn't aware of before and have more of a general sense of what's going on, albeit still very limited. Now I love it. I got the chance to see these guys give a clinic, and to see it live was a real eye opener. One thing they said was everything they played was going to be in the context of the blues. What they played sounded nothing like, so in the Q&A I asked them how it could be considered blues. When they stripped everything but the root chords away, there hidden underneath it all was a very simple 12-bar blues progression.

No problem, mate. I got what you meant