Arteta or Silva?

[SerenityNigh]

Arteta as manager? I'd have him back in our midfield right now. Is there a player-manager option?

Areteta and Rooney deathmatch for player manager. The winner then is allowed to drink an elixir made heart shaped plants and given youthfulness and power related to a higher plane of existence, able then to provide silverware for the club.

Or they could die after drinking the elixir. That’s always a possibility as well.

 

[Tubey]

Arteta was a mad option for Arsenal and he's just as mad an option for us.

There's no reason whatsoever for a top level club to give a manager his first job in football, regardless of playing career.

It'd be akin to McDonald's hiring a bloke as CEO simply because he's ate a load of Big Macs over the years, so theoretically he knows how to manage the sale of burgers too.

So the answer is Silva for me.

 

[deipnosophist]

I do not think we are in a position that permits too much experimentation/sticking a finger in the air to see which way the wind blows. Nor should we though, revisit appointing experienced dinosaurs (eg the likes of Pardew, Allardyce, Moyes, Hughes, Lambert, Warnock etc). Both Stoke and West Brom pursued the latter course, with injurious outcome. Yes, West Ham, Southampton and ourselves avoided self immolation with our similar-type appointments, but that was largely due to the extraordinarily parlous quality in the PL outside of the big 6.
Arteta falls into the 'too experimental' realm for me. He has nil experience at managing any football club, let alone a PL one, and I would be loath to let him cut his teeth here at Everton.
Silva? I'm not bouncing with enthusiasm toward his appointment but I prefer him to Arteta for the reasons given above.
The other candidate whose name has cropped up in other threads I am not keen on at all. Malky MacKay left Cardiff and Wigan under a cloud and I believe there were insinuations of misogynistic tendencies. Such attitude won't fly with our new CEO so I cannot see him getting the appointment.
So, Silva it is then. The best that can be said of him is he's the best of an underwhelming field. His similarities to Bobby Brownshoes frightens me a little, but I guess five years of terrible managers and terrible performances have reduced us to 'beggars can't be too choosy' status.
It's not ideal...but it is what it is.

 

[Tubey]

I do not think we are in a position that permits too much experimentation/sticking a finger in the air to see which way the wind blows. Nor should we though, revisit appointing experienced dinosaurs (eg the likes of Pardew, Allardyce, Moyes, Hughes, Lambert, Warnock etc). Both Stoke and West Brom pursued the latter course, with injurious outcome. Yes, West Ham, Southampton and ourselves avoided self immolation with our similar-type appointments, but that was largely due to the extraordinarily parlous quality in the PL outside of the big 6.
Arteta falls into the 'too experimental' realm for me. He has nil experience at managing any football club, let alone a PL one, and I would be loath to let him cut his teeth here at Everton.
Silva? I'm not bouncing with enthusiasm toward his appointment but I prefer him to Arteta for the reasons given above.
The other candidate whose name has cropped up in other threads I am not keen on at all. Malky MacKay left Cardiff and Wigan under a cloud and I believe there were insinuations of misogynistic tendencies. Such attitude won't fly with our new CEO so I cannot see him getting the appointment.
So, Silva it is then. The best that can be said of him is he's the best of an underwhelming field. His similarities to Bobby Brownshoes frightens me a little, but I guess five years of terrible managers and terrible performances have reduced us to 'beggars can't be too choosy' status.
It's not ideal...but it is what it is.

Yup this for me but I'm not frightened at all about Silva - yeah he may go proper Martinez on us but the difference now is that I have faith that Moshiri will pull the trigger on him if he's a total disaster, whereas Kenwright always seemed to have the theatrical approach of waiting for the redemption that would never come.

I understand the attraction of Arteta as he has that aura (for want of a better word) that suggests he could be the 'next big thing' in management, but whilst in terms of risk there's not much difference between him and Silva really, there is a massive difference in perception - hiring a manager with no experience as a Premier League club is different to Rangers doing it with Gerrard in a tinpot league, and doing so sends out the message that you aren't operating with logic as a club.

 

[Toffee in Jandals]

Arteta was a mad option for Arsenal and he's just as mad an option for us.

There's no reason whatsoever for a top level club to give a manager his first job in football, regardless of playing career.

It'd be akin to McDonald's hiring a bloke as CEO simply because he's ate a load of Big Macs over the years, so theoretically he knows how to manage the sale of burgers too.

So the answer is Silva for me.

If we're going fast-food analogies; KFC (Manchester City) gave him a job as Deputy CEO, and they won the prize as top restaurant brand last year, and he worked under the Colonel (Guardiola), who is arguably the best in the business right now. Arteta seems to have been recognized as a vital cog in their success.

So yeah it's a risk, it always is, but Silva has his drawbacks too, as our colleague @4737carlin mentioned.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

It’s like choosing between firing squad and hanging!

 

[Khalekan]

SIlva has played for crap clubs and managed crap clubs, while Arteta has played at a very high level, has a lot of experience of the Premier League, worked under Pep.
Another issue we cant ignore about Silva is how he cant stay at a place for long, even as a player, for the first 10 years of his career he was at 9 clubs in his first 10 years?

In fact in 22 years as a player and a manager he went through 13 clubs but that includes 9 years at Estoril? Why so many in such a short period of time? Maybe he has a horrible attitude, the type a manager must have to down tools when another clubs shows interest.

Besides hasnt he shafted Watford himself, the club who paid his wages by giving info to Moshiri about things that happen between himself and Watford while he was at Hull? I might have that wrong as ive lost track a bit on that tapping up stuff, but what i do know is this guy is nothing but trouble, which is why he goes through so many clubs.

Arteta is the man

You have convinced me, C man

Wee Mikky it is.

 

[Tubey]

If we're going fast-food analogies; KFC (Manchester City) gave him a job as Deputy CEO, and they won the prize as top restaurant brand last year, and he worked under the Colonel (Guardiola), who is arguably the best in the business right now. Arteta seems to have been recognized as a vital cog in their success.

So yeah it's a risk, it always is, but Silva has his drawbacks too, as our colleague @4737carlin mentioned.

I remember Rene Meulensteen being lauded as the secret weapon at United that was underpinning Man United's success.

Never made the jump successfully to management. And he had 10x the experience Arteta has.

Some people are good as cogs in the machine, other people are good at operating the actual machine, and until they have proven experience at doing it then they simply are too big a risk logically if you want to be taken seriously as a top level club IMO.

 

[Tel001]

Reckon arteta would get into our first 11 if I'm honest

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Neither

 

[Toffee in Jandals]

I remember Rene Meulensteen being lauded as the secret weapon at United that was underpinning Man United's success.

Never made the jump successfully to management. And he had 10x the experience Arteta has.

Some people are good as cogs in the machine, other people are good at operating the actual machine, and until they have proven experience at doing it then they simply are too big a risk logically if you want to be taken seriously as a top level club IMO.

Yeah I remember that too - Meulensteen failed miserably at Fulham didn't he?

All I'm saying is that yes, it's a risk, but no more so than Silva. We went the reasonably safe approach with Koeman and that didn't work out, so maybe Moshiri is prepared to throw the dice this time around.

 

[Goat]

Yeah I remember that too - Meulensteen failed miserably at Fulham didn't he?

All I'm saying is that yes, it's a risk, but no more so than Silva. We went the reasonably safe approach with Koeman and that didn't work out, so maybe Moshiri is prepared to throw the dice this time around.

Of course hes a bigger risk than Silva, your asking him to do a job he literally has never done in his whole life.

 

[Goat]

Neither

Who would you pick Bry?

For the record, its neither for me as well.

Philly C in case you care.

 

[carolinablue232]

Areteta and Rooney deathmatch for player manager. The winner then is allowed to drink an elixir made heart shaped plants and given youthfulness and power related to a higher plane of existence, able then to provide silverware for the club.

Or they could die after drinking the elixir. That’s always a possibility as well.

Seems as though you may have had a few elixirs yourself sir.

 

[little elfin]

The question is 'what would you want from them?'
To play like Pep or to play like Pochettino.
We should establish the philosophy or style of play first coz we have none.