2023/24 Ashley Young

[matty1878]

He'll play at right back, Matty, Coleman won't stay fit and Dyche hates Patterson. If Leeds are promoted we won't sign Harrison (not necessarily a bad thing) so he'll also get plenty of games at right wing. That, and when Myko is injured he'll play left back. He'll play a minimum of 30 games next season, imo.

oh we’re fd
if he plays

this is on dyche

 

[Lobworm]

I'll do my best to summarise what I've read from you because you seem very pissy about people disagreeing with you (maybe you should articulate your points more clearly since nobody seems capable of understanding what the hell you are going on about):

Ashley Young isn't good.
Ashley Young should be a squad player.
Ashley Young isn't likely to be a squad player and is likely to play a lot of games.
Ashley Young is cheap.
Ashley Young is on a high wage and will likely command a significant signing on fee. This is still cheap.
Everton shouldn't sign players who's contracts have expired because that means nobody wants them.
Ashley Young's contract is about to expire.
We shouldn't sign players who are 39 and out of contract.
We are skint.
Because we are skint younger out of contract players who would sign for us are too expensive.
Because we are skint younger players out of contract who would sign for us aren't good enough.
Signing Ashley Young to a new contract is the right thing to do.
There is nobody available in world football that is as cheap and good as Ashley Young, even though he is neither cheap nor good according to you (sometimes).

I can vault every single one of these things from you in the past 24 hours if you want me to, or you can clarify your position as you seem a bit all over the place.

For the record, I don't think we should re-sign Ashley Young because I think he gives the ball away too much, concedes too many fouls, gets caught out of position too frequently, accumulates too many yellow and red cards, is physically in decline, and costs way too much money. I think that even though I know that we have a thin squad and very limited funds. We can do better than Ashley Young even with the funding restrictions we are currently dealing with.

Christ, I genuinely can't believe you typed all that. You obviously didn't get the memo about about taking things out of context, but crack on, whatever gets you off, mate.

 

[windymiller]

oh we’re fd
if he plays

this is on dyche

He hasn't signed the new deal yet which makes me think it might be a big drop in salary. Time will tell.

 

[windymiller]

Christ, I genuinely can't believe you typed all that. You obviously didn't get the memo about about taking things out of context, but crack on, whatever gets you off, mate.

I'm asking you to clarify the context but, as other posters have pointed out, you do like to latch on to one element of a post. Ironic, really, since you're out here accusing everyone else of missing context.

 

[matty1878]

He hasn't signed the new deal yet which makes me think it might be a big drop in salary. Time will tell.

he will tho nobody else would want him now

so it’s on dyche and thellwell

and us being bad scruffs

 

[windymiller]

he will tho nobody else would want him now

so it’s on dyche and thellwell

and us being bad scruffs

He might decide that a cushy life as a TV pundit is a better gig if the money isn't right. He's popped up on a few things on TV now and I'm guessing that's his plan for after footy. If the money isn't right maybe he'll decide that now is the time. Don't tell @Lobworm though, he'll be very upset.

 

[Lobworm]

I'm asking you to clarify the context but, as other posters have pointed out, you do like to latch on to one element of a post. Ironic, really, since you're out here accusing everyone else of missing context.

Which posters have pointed out? I think today I have mentioned taking things out of context to you, iirc. Not 'everyone else'..

You want me to clarify context? This really isn't difficult, mate, and far quicker than typing several hundred words..

If you want to discuss, go back, read the thread properly, reply, and I will discuss.

So, go to a post, hit reply, make a comment, and I will reply in turn. There's really no need to make stuff up.

 

[windymiller]

Which posters have pointed out? I think today I have mentioned taking things out of context to you, iirc. Not 'everyone else'..

You want me to clarify context? This really isn't difficult, mate, and far quicker than typing several hundred words..

So, go to a post, hit reply, make a comment, and I will reply in turn. There's really no need to make stuff up.

I didn't make a single thing up, you have said many, many contradictory things, I summarised them above. You said all of them, you have accused both @DualityNSNO and I of making stuff up and taking what you have said out of context in the past couple of hours but it's not our fault that you are barely articulate and seem to change your view from post to post. It's impossible to read your recent posts and reach a consensus view!

Is Ashley Young good or bad?
Is he cheap or expensive?
Will he be a squad player or a regular starter?
Should we re-sign him or not?

You've argued both sides of all of these arguments. Do you have an internal conflict that needs resolving? Help is available.

 

[Lobworm]

I didn't make a single thing up, you have said many, many contradictory things, I summarised them above. You said all of them, you have accused both @DualityNSNO and I of making stuff up and taking what you have said out of context in the past couple of hours but it's not our fault that you are barely articulate and seem to change your view from post to post. It's impossible to read your recent posts and reach a consensus view!

Is Ashley Young good or bad?
Is he cheap or expensive?
Will he be a squad player or a regular starter?
Should we re-sign him or not?

You've argued both sides of all of these arguments. Do you have an internal conflict that needs resolving? Help is available.

Deary me. You do fancy yourself as quite the little intellectual, don't you?
Of course there are both sides to all of these arguments. They are all opinion, no more. The ability to be objective seems lost on you hence you resort to making things up, taking things out of context, then making snide comments. Now having to tag a friend for help...

Is he cheap or expensive? I mean, Christ

I will repeat

So, go to a post, hit reply, make a comment, and I will reply in turn. There's really no need to make stuff up.

 

[windymiller]

Deary me. You do fancy yourself as quite the little intellectual, don't you?
Of course there are both sides to all of these arguments. They are all opinion, no more. The ability to be objective seems lost on you hence you resort to making things up, taking things out of context, then making snide comments. Now having to tag a friend for help...

Is he cheap or expensive? I mean, Christ

I will repeat

Gotcha, you don't know. That's ok, maybe you'll figure it out one day.

 

[Lobworm]

Gotcha, you don't know. That's ok.

I'll put a bit of context to my opinion, as it seems you don't understand what that means. But just to be sure, you're still the winner here..

 

[windymiller]

I'll put a bit of context to my opinion, as it seems you don't understand what that means. But just to be sure, you're still the winner here..
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So, "no idea" of his wages but the random number of £4m for the year that you made up is "the cheap end of the scale".

For the record, I do not consider £4m for a year of Ashley Young to be cheap. I also suspect that the terms he's been offered are reduced from last year, given he hasn't signed yet. I still wouldn't sign him.

 

[Lobworm]

So, "no idea" of his wages but the random number of £4m for the year that you made up is "the cheap end of the scale".

For the record, I do not consider £4m for a year of Ashley Young to be cheap. I also suspect that the terms he's been offered are reduced from last year, given he hasn't signed yet. I still wouldn't sign him.

No I have never seen his payslip. Have you? Further I never 'made up' the figure either. To clarify, Mike suggested he was on £80k, so I used Mike's figure for the bases of my discussion, with Mike. I hope that clarifies that point. Context is everything, cherry picking makes you look daft, sorry.

I would agree it is not 'cheap' c/w Coleman for example. But given we appear to be short of funds, given the manager currently only has 1 year left, then the powers that be might be reluctant to sign players on long term deals, knowing the next manager may not fancy playing them.
So whilst £4m a year isn't 'cheap' it is a lot less than buying someone for £5-25 million, then and paying them £1 -2m a year over 3 or 4 years, only to find the next manager won't play them. As I am sure you are aware, we have had issues with dead wood being on the squad. So yes, it is the cheap end of the scale.

As I have stated elsewhere, I too would prefer the best young fullbacks in the league c/w Ashley Young, however I don't think we have the funds or indeed the structures at the club to make that a possibility, currently. I hope I am wrong.

I hope that clarifies my thoughts, and I hope it gives you a valuable insight into why context is important before jumping to conclusions about what you think someone has said.

 

[Lobworm]

Gotcha, you don't know. That's ok, maybe you'll figure it out one day.

Oh you really got me, son

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

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