Atmosphere around the Club

[Tubey]

I feel just as down and disillusioned with the club as everyone else at times, and there's days I'm very apathetic about things. But I'm not going to give up. I don't think I can. Everton are ingrained in my being and I might be feeling a lot of apathy, but it certainly doesn't mean I dont care. Anything but.

Let me put it this way - I don't think many people go the game right now because they actually want to. They either have the whole thing ingrained in them so it's basically as pre-set as turning up to work every day, or they have irrational hope that something will change. Either way, I don't see any enthusiasm whatsoever from anyone. That's the impression I get.

And it's not a "sing when you're winning" thing either. I saw the same thing at Boro when 3-1 up at half time this season - the ground was still grim. I didn't understand it at the time, but I do now.

 

[Tubey]

Of course the atmosphere was dire, but we sat there freezing cold watching garbage opposition knock it round in our half without a challenge for 45 minutes.

And the bold bit is the kicker.

We're not waiting to cheer on a winning team - we're waiting to cheer on a team that looks like it's remotely arsed about what it's on the pitch to do.

I think we're a knowledgable fanbase - we haven't forgotten that this by and large same set of players downed tools on Martinez and didn't give a toss about the fans. Nothing has changed.

I'd cheer on a limited team giving it everything they had and sat in 19th 500x more than I would a somewhat talented side going through the motions.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

There was an exodus on 83 minutes today from the Park End (at least around me). Found it very odd...

 

[ToffeeTim]

And the bold bit is the kicker.

We're not waiting to cheer on a winning team - we're waiting to cheer on a team that looks like it's remotely arsed about what it's on the pitch to do.

I think we're a knowledgable fanbase - we haven't forgotten that this by and large same set of players downed tools on Martinez and didn't give a toss about the fans. Nothing has changed.

I'd cheer on a limited team giving it everything they had and sat in 19th 500x more than I would a somewhat talented side going through the motions.

Yep, agree entirely with this. These players are thoroughly unlikeable. I really really dislike lots of them. They make me not enjoy watching us.

 

[Tubey]

There was an exodus on 83 minutes today from the Park End (at least around me). Found it very odd...

Overheard one fella leaving with his kid to the right of me. He turned to the person next to him and said "that's enough punishment for me for one week."

Says it all.

 

[Tubey]

Yep, agree entirely with this. These players are thoroughly unlikeable. I really really dislike lots of them. They make me not enjoy watching us.

They're not winners. None of them. They know they're talented enough to stay up and around mid-table, but have no belief they can actually do anything special as a group, so they don't go the extra mile. There's no belief in that squad whatsoever that they can challenge for a title.

So what we have is a bunch of losers with no determination whatsoever but plenty of self-pity and undeserved arrogance.

 

[Shipped]

Let me put it this way - I don't think many people go the game right now because they actually want to.

Still the highlight of my week when I see that church on my walk in.
Look forward to it, especially with these daft international breaks.
Not you?

 

[Tubey]

Still the highlight of my week when I see that church on my walk in.
Look forward to it, especially with these daft international breaks.
Not you?

I know that's the "right" view to have, but I'm just being honest - and no, for me right now, going the game is a chore, as I'm there to support a group of players that I largely simply don't like, in a game I am increasingly disillusioned towards.

The little things begin to add up. When you see Koeman in full arrogance mode dismiss the club, then see the club owner pally with cretins like Jim White, after decades of "watch this space", failed stadium moves, false promises on investments and constant false dawns, then you add that to the overall game being one of "whoever has the most money wins", the current squad being a bunch of wimps (led by a captain who defines the word wimp) and... I'm thoroughly turned off on the whole thing.

I'm in the "blind hope" camp. I know the whole thing at this point is futile, but I still do it anyway. If someone asked me whether I want to go the next home game and the reasons why, I couldn't give any reason other than "it's... you know... Everton, ain't it?"

 

[Shipped]

I know that's the "right" view to have, but I'm just being honest - and no, for me right now, going the game is a chore, as I'm there to support a group of players that I largely simply don't like, in a game I am increasingly disillusioned towards.

The little things begin to add up. When you see Koeman in full arrogance mode dismiss the club, then see the club owner pally with cretins like Jim White, after decades of "watch this space", failed stadium moves, false promises on investments and constant false dawns, then you add that to the overall game being one of "whoever has the most money wins", the current squad being a bunch of wimps (led by a captain who defines the word wimp) and... I'm thoroughly turned off on the whole thing.

I'm in the "blind hope" camp. I know the whole thing at this point is futile, but I still do it anyway. If someone asked me whether I want to go the next home game and the reasons why, I couldn't give any reason other than "it's... you know... Everton, ain't it?"

Heartbreaking that mate.
I'm sure you've been going a lot longer than me.
I started in mid 90s relegation battles.
While I'm still skeptical / cynical about "nothing will be the same" Moshiri / Koeman stuff I still look forward to home games as the best part of the week.
Hope you can recapture that.
Maybe it'll take a left foot like Sheedy or something; modern day, money filled footy is mostly vomit.
Honesty is crucial though so keep doing that.
And futile could apply to everything ... try anyway.


Love your posts Tubey

 

[Dixie D]

22 years no trophy, same old "toilet" wrapped up in a different jacket. I think Evertonian are on the verge of giving up

Noooo never!!!...Take it away Rick!...

 

[terry nodder]

They're not winners. None of them. They know they're talented enough to stay up and around mid-table, but have no belief they can actually do anything special as a group, so they don't go the extra mile. There's no belief in that squad whatsoever that they can challenge for a title.

So what we have is a bunch of losers with no determination whatsoever but plenty of self-pity and undeserved arrogance.

I've said before I'm more than willing to give Koeman a chance, but if what you say in this post is true, then that's pretty much the manager's job to instil it

 

[Tubey]

I've said before I'm more than willing to give Koeman a chance, but if what you say in this post is true, then that's pretty much the manager's job to instil it

That's why his comments on Lukaku irritated me so profoundly. Because the attitude behind it shows he has no desire to actually win beyond his own narrowly defined definition - namely, simply improve us a bit on Martinez to preserve his reputation until the bigger job comes along.

He's in it for himself, which sadly in the modern game is completely understandable.

 

[terry nodder]

That's why his comments on Lukaku irritated me so profoundly. Because the attitude behind it shows he has no desire to actually win beyond his own narrowly defined definition - namely, simply improve us a bit on Martinez to preserve his reputation until the bigger job comes along.

He's in it for himself, which sadly in the modern game is completely understandable.

Exactly and that's going to permeate those around him too. I've heard arguments also for players that they shouldn't need motivating, mainly coming down to the rewards that are so abundant within the higher levels of the modern game, but looking at this lot, this materialism is detrimental to their performance, they need a Mr Motivator more than ever!!

CHeers Ted

 

[COYBL25]

Exactly and that's going to permeate those around him too. I've heard arguments also for players that they shouldn't need motivating, mainly coming down to the rewards that are so abundant within the higher levels of the modern game, but looking at this lot, this materialism is detrimental to their performance, they need a Mr Motivator more than ever!!

CHeers Ted

You know what, I think you could be onto something there Ted

Thanks as always x

* I believe in the wake of several scandals involving BBC employees, he could be currently looking for work.

 

[Derek Acorah]

We wanted Mourinho. We got Koeman.

We wanted Mata. We got Bolasie.

Is there any wonder that we are all fed up?

We are a club going nowhere fast my friends - accept it.