Baby killed in bed by a dog called 'killer'.

[chicoazul]

nothing to do with the breed, its more of the TYPE OF PERSON, that is attracted to these breed of dogs. Ive owned Rottweilers, Boxers, bullmastiffs and Dogue De Bordaux's and none have been a problem. People are bitten by other breeds everyday but due to the size/strength of these dogs it goes unheard off.

Ban the scally's and chavs wanting a tough looking dog these crimes will go down, but problem is backyard breeding look how cheap staffy pups are, bred often with bad temperaments due to that.

I've got a friend who reasons the same thing and he's wonderful with his pets so who am I to argue?

 

[Brennan]

I just don't get it.

Be arsed going over the same old argument about what types of dogs are dangerous, and whether it's the owner's fault or not. I just don't understand why people get these types of dogs if there's even a small chance they could seriously injure or kill you, somebody else, or somebody else's kids.

Jaws that are specially designed to clamp down and lock ffs

 

[noharmdone]

I just don't get it.

Be arsed going over the same old argument about what types of dogs are dangerous, and whether it's the owner's fault or not. I just don't understand why people get these types of dogs if there's even a small chance they could seriously injure or kill you, somebody else, or somebody else's kids.

Jaws that are specially designed to clamp down and lock ffs

Aye.. That same old argument when a baby gets bitten to death..
( by an illegal dog )

 

[Big Doug]

What attracts you to own Rotties and bull mastiffs just out of interest then ?
Genuine question.

Ive owned many dog breeds mate ranging from a yorkie to my old bullmastiff who weighed about 130 pounds, but I prefer bigger dogs I find them more fun and active than smaller breeds.

It comes down to training aswell with these sort of stories as certain breeds are more tougher to handle/train which makes them a problem due to their size if left with someone who is inexperienced on top of being a scally probably teaching it to be aggressive. Ive had two rottweilers in my life the female was from a german working stock and was huge (google german working rottie breeders to see their size) and due to her background as a working stock type she was hard work as she needed to be active alot, but with the right training she was brilliant, I wouldn't recommend a male rottie to anyone inexperienced as they are tough to train, which is scary when you see some 18 year old scal walking the streets pulling one around on a chain lead.

 

[noharmdone]

Thanks for the reply Doug.
Shame there is so much money to be made selling them to the 'scallies' you mention.

 

[Azzurri]

I just don't get it.

Be arsed going over the same old argument about what types of dogs are dangerous, and whether it's the owner's fault or not. I just don't understand why people get these types of dogs if there's even a small chance they could seriously injure or kill you, somebody else, or somebody else's kids.

Jaws that are specially designed to clamp down and lock ffs

Can't speak for everyone like but if you compare my girlfriend's dog and her sister's dog there's a big difference. Her sister's is a Staff which jumps up, chases sticks, chases his tail, plays around with you etc. and it's the most obedient dog ever. Couldn't imagine it ever having the bottle to bite anyone never mind wanting to as you can literally stick your hand in its mouth without its teeth even touching you and it'll stop chasing a rabbit or something the second you tell it to. Compare that to my girlfriend's dog which is a bone idle useless little King Charles Spaniel which just flops around doing nothing and the 'dangerous' one is well more fun. But at the same time the 'dangerous' dogs owners are planning for a baby therefore are looking to move it into a new home.

Does mostly depend on the owners and temperament of the dog's parents (but swerve American Pitbulls and that). Just that a pitbull, for example, can kill someone when it bites them whereas if a Jack Russel has a go you just volley it into next week.

 

[Big Doug]

Thanks for the reply Doug.
Shame there is so much money to be made selling them to the 'scallies' you mention.

no worries mate, for a good temperent dog you should be paying around £400+ for.

You go on any pet website and see the prices for many staffy pups in particular- ranging for £60-£200, and many of them are not KC registered nor have parents of good temperament meaning the puppies are more than likely to grow up with personality issues such as aggression.

An interesting case study is in the US where proper American Pit Bull Terriers were being examined an they seen that the vast majority in American kennels were "blue" gened Pit Bulls, and it was down to the fact that the "blue/grey" coloured dog was becoming more popular than your standard brown/white/black fur colours so people were breeding them like crazy with any dogs no matter what temperament so you was getting many blue coloured pit bulls growing up aggressive and going into kennel for no fault of their own.

 

[Ashtonian]

It has probably been said a million times over but it the dogs are staus symbols for scallys and the like so of course they are poorly raised.

The way i look at it, if you have any sort of breeds like the dangerous ones but train them and look after them well then they will be harmless to own. I don't think raising a puppy from birth almost to fully grown properly with love and affection will breed a dangerous dog, just like a person. If a dog attacks a child maliciously like this then it is down to the owners of the pet, simple as. they have obviously raised it incorrectly or half arsed, or even worse have not noticed if the dog was doing anything that may harm their child/themselves in anyway.

the biggest tragedy is always who is the victim in the story and your heart really does go out to them. The sad thing is the argument can never be won, plenty of good owners should not be penalised for the 'status symbol' owners and people should not be put at risk just for someone to own these types of dog.

 

[Blue 1]

The owners of dogs who do these things need tough sentencing and they should think about bringing back the dog license, although I'm not sure how effective it would be as hardly anyone bothered with it back in the day. Perhaps they could make it more enforceable these days with microchips, tattooing etc.

It's too easy to blame "these scallys" 'cos I've known people who most would describe as exactly that who take their dog ownership really seriously and their dogs have been great, although fair to say there are an awful lot of [Poor language removed] dog owners who fit the description too I suppose.

I really don't get why you'd have a pet like that with small kids, though. I really don't.

 

[Alexander Nyarko]

I have a small beagle, not aggressive at all, but I wouldn't leave it alone with a baby for 1 second. If there was a baby in the house I would have an eye on the dog at all times. Even on walks if a kid comes up to it I have it on a very short lead. Any dog can be unpredictable, even from a selfish point of view why risk even a slight incident and possibly have the dog getting put down?

The problem is the morons who own dogs (and have kids) when they can barely look after themselves.

 

[RFUS]

A dog isn't inherently evil, but they are inherently able to be domesticated and trained. If a dog owner doesn't train their dog properly then the blame starts and ends with them.

Perhaps a dog license is a good idea, as there are far too many absolute morons with dogs that have high pounds-force bites and zero to no knowledge of proper training, nor the will to train.

It's perfectly fine to have dogs around babies -- in fact most dogs are protective of the young -- but you'd hope that a parent wouldn't keep a poorly trained or vicious dog. Sadly, just like anyone can have a baby, anyone can have a dog. When irresponsible dog owners and irresponsible parents mix, that's when things like this happen.

 

[PeterBeagrie]

I've got a dog myself who may be deemed dangerous. He's an American bulldog and I've had him for 9 years. He lives in my kitchen and garden. We have to be careful when any visitors come to the house as we aren't sure whether he will attack them or not. I can't take him to the vet so I administer any needles or medication he needs. I never raised him this way, he was always aggressive from a young age. When he was a baby I walked him everywhere but as he got bigger, he changed, he attacked me once pinning me to the wall with his arms, I thought he was gonna chew me to pieces, my wife had to get him off with a brush.

I take him for walks but late at night so there is no potential danger, he is very strong and pulls the lead. I feel sorry for him for being this way but I never raised him to be a menace.

 

[tommye]

R.I.P. Little angel.


I'm not going to get involved with the good dog/bad owner debate, but naming the dog 'killer' is a fair indication of the mentality of the owners. Fookin idiots.

 

[RFUS]

I've got a dog myself who may be deemed dangerous. He's an American bulldog and I've had him for 9 years. He lives in my kitchen and garden. We have to be careful when any visitors come to the house as we aren't sure whether he will attack them or not. I can't take him to the vet so I administer any needles or medication he needs. I never raised him this way, he was always aggressive from a young age. When he was a baby I walked him everywhere but as he got bigger, he changed, he attacked me once pinning me to the wall with his arms, I thought he was gonna chew me to pieces, my wife had to get him off with a brush.

I take him for walks but late at night so there is no potential danger, he is very strong and pulls the lead. I feel sorry for him for being this way but I never raised him to be a menace.

I'm sorry to hear that mate, but it's not about raising him that way. A dog can have influences on it from the very get-go. Being the runt of the litter for example can cause a dog to have behavioural issues.

However all dogs can be trained out of these bad habits, though it gets harder with age. The problem is that millions of people have dogs but hundreds of thousands of them clearly don't understand dogs.

R.I.P. Little angel.


I'm not going to get involved with the good dog/bad owner debate, but naming the dog 'killer' is a fair indication of the mentality of the owners. Fookin idiots.

True. Disgusting, and harrowing. RIP to the poor child.

I just hope these things can raise the right kind of awareness. Hating or fearing dogs won't help anything, it's about raising the awareness of responsibility. I'd be all for people needing a license for owning dogs, or any other solution, as there is just a sickening amount of imbecilic dog owners.

 

[neil999]

cars are dangerous, being in a kitchen is dangerous, alcohol is dangerous...etc etc

danger is around children constantly, parents are their to protect their children