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Baby killed in bed by a dog called 'killer'.

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Brennan said:
Bit of a (massive) difference between a baby being dropped by accident, and a couple owning a dog which is known to be dangerous, particularly to young children.
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I hear ya. I just pointing out that the couple didn't actually do anything wrong. It was a tragic accident, although one born out of irresponsibility. I don't think blanket banning certain breeds of dogs is the answer. You can't legislate away risk and stupidy. There will always be bad and irresponsible parents that will put their children in harm's way no matter what laws are passed. i would rather see a society than emphasizes the importance of freedom and the personal responsibility that comes with it.
 
I have a ridgeback/Lab cross. Immense dog, all the characteristics of a the Lab.

His biggest issue, is his paws.

He shakes hands with people, and has scratched / pushed the kids over.

Not life threatening, but its still my responsibility. He goes to his cage now, when people come in the house, and chills.
 
I don't get the whole "Cars are dangerous and we put kids in the all the time" and "Alcohol probably causes more deaths" argument. It remind me of when I had an argument with an old friend about taking pills, as a bad one can kill you. He said "Yeah well I could get hit by a bus crossing the road tomorrow". What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Like Brennan says, why have a dog that is capable of causing extreme harm? What is the point? What is the attraction? What's wrong with a labrador FFS? There's dozens of breeds which are not considered dangerous. It's just totally irresponsible and very selfish in my opinion to own a dangerous dog if you have young children.
 
Brennan said:
Main difference being that kitchens and cars are petty necessary parts of modern life, owning a dog with jaws capable of killing humans really isn't.
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yeah fair point, just its always similar types of people that are involved in these

and i dont mean 'working class' just people who are generally irresponsible, if it wasnt a dog something else awful may have happened
 

Baines' left foot said:
I don't get the whole "Cars are dangerous and we put kids in the all the time" and "Alcohol probably causes more deaths" argument. It remind me of when I had an argument with an old friend about taking pills, as a bad one can kill you. He said "Yeah well I could get hit by a bus crossing the road tomorrow". What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Like Brennan says, why have a dog that is capable of causing extreme harm? What is the point? What is the attraction? What's wrong with a labrador FFS? There's dozens of breeds which are not considered dangerous. It's just totally irresponsible and very selfish in my opinion to own a dangerous dog if you have young children.
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I've often wondered why people want dangerous breeds - children or not.
 
Pabbers said:
I have a ridgeback/Lab cross. Immense dog, all the characteristics of a the Lab.

His biggest issue, is his paws.

He shakes hands with people, and has scratched / pushed the kids over.

Not life threatening, but its still my responsibility. He goes to his cage now, when people come in the house, and chills.
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tell me about it, i have a lab who wouldnt hurt a fly on purpose, hes just boistrous whcih is why still always lead walk him until i have him under total control
 
No potentially dangerous dog, no potential of baby being savaged.

That's the top middle & bottom of it. It's not about breeds of dog etc, it's about a parents decision whether they want their child to live in the same space as any dog that has the POTENTIAL to harm their child. It really is that simple.
 
evilwebby said:
I hear ya. I just pointing out that the couple didn't actually do anything wrong. It was a tragic accident, although one born out of irresponsibility. I don't think blanket banning certain breeds of dogs is the answer. You can't legislate away risk and stupidy. There will always be bad and irresponsible parents that will put their children in harm's way no matter what laws are passed. i would rather see a society than emphasizes the importance of freedom and the personal responsibility that comes with it.
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That doesn't really make sense. If the baby died because of the parents' irresponsibility then they most definitely did do something wrong.

I don't think banning certain breeds of dog is the way to go, either, though.
 
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Baines' left foot said:
I don't get the whole "Cars are dangerous and we put kids in the all the time" and "Alcohol probably causes more deaths" argument. It remind me of when I had an argument with an old friend about taking pills, as a bad one can kill you. He said "Yeah well I could get hit by a bus crossing the road tomorrow". What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Like Brennan says, why have a dog that is capable of causing extreme harm? What is the point? What is the attraction? What's wrong with a labrador FFS? There's dozens of breeds which are not considered dangerous. It's just totally irresponsible and very selfish in my opinion to own a dangerous dog if you have young children.
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I think labradors are very high on the list of biting. Any breed of dog has the ability to kill a baby.
 

neil999 said:
tell me about it, i have a lab who wouldnt hurt a fly on purpose, hes just boistrous whcih is why still always lead walk him until i have him under total control
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Same with mine. He wants to be off playing with people, and other dogs. But with him bieng more Ridgeback size, I dont want him running at kids or people with dogs. It could be mistaken for a dog wanting to hurt them.

I tend to take him through forests, and walking up rivers and river/banks.

We met with 4 Collys once, in the forest, and they all grouped around him.....I was worried what would happen.....he just jumped over 1 of them, and trotted off.

Loud bark though.....Milk man & window cleaner are terrified of him!!!
 
malfosse said:
I think labradors are very high on the list of biting. Any breed of dog has the ability to kill a baby.
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i think thats to do with the amount of labradors, its the most popular breed in the world..no idea what percent actually bite...theres some very misleading stats out there
 
malfosse said:
I think labradors are very high on the list of biting. Any breed of dog has the ability to kill a baby.
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Really? I thought they generally had very good temperaments? We had a labrador for a year as part of a scheme for the Guide Dogs Association. To be honest the dog used to bite quite a lot whilst it was a puppy, but it was only just playful like chewing which didn't hurt at all, for an adult anyway. I wouldn't have let the dog around a small child, though.
 
Baines' left foot said:
Really? I thought they generally had very good temperaments? We had a labrador for a year as part of a scheme for the Guide Dogs Association. To be honest the dog used to bite quite a lot whilst it was a puppy, but it was only just playful like chewing which didn't hurt at all, for an adult anyway. I wouldn't have let the dog around a small child, though.
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My point is, it's more the training (or lack of it) that has a greater bearing on the probability of the dog biting, rather than the breed of dog.
 

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