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Back room staff, who don't you mind losing?

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mightymoyes said:
the fella steele is meant to be a good goalie coach, surprised moyes binned him for woods!
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De Gea has come on a lot since he's been with them. Obviously at the money they paid you'd expect that but you'd have to give some credit to the coach for helping him adapt to a very different style of football.

Woods has done???
 
steken1 said:
De Gea has come on a lot since he's been with them. Obviously at the money they paid you'd expect that but you'd have to give some credit to the coach for helping him adapt to a very different style of football.

Woods has done???
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he even learnt spanish to communicate better with de gea
 

It seems very odd to me that Moyes would replace

Phelan- Round (Assistant Manager)
Meulensteen- Neville (Coach)

Phelan "was Sir Alex Ferguson’s right-hand man during three Premier League title wins, a Club World Cup, two League Cups and two runs to the final of the UEFA Champions League".

"Rene has helped Sir Alex Ferguson secure the Premier League title in 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11 and 2012–13; the Community Shield in 2008, 2010, 2011, the League Cup in 2008–09 and 2009–10; the UEFA Champions League in 2007–08 and FIFA Club World Cup in 2008".

I respect that Moyes needs to make the position his own and to bring in people who share his working methodology but it seems illogical to jettison so much valuable experience. As the Guardian puts it "Moyes has discarded a total of nearly 30 years of coaching the Fergusonian way, three decades of wisdom and expertise soaked up from working with Britain's greatest manager".

Meulensteen holds the UEFA A license (compared to Neville's B) and was brought to United as a technical skills expert who specialised in the Coever method. He has 23 years coaching experience and has worked his way up through United's youth and reserve sides.

Warren Joyce was co-manager of their Reserves/U21 until Solskjaer left. Surely it would have made more sense for Neville to work under him alongside his role with England while he develops experience and qualifications. What sense is there in throwing him straight into the first team?

And Ferguson has promised Giggs a coaching role when he retires. Where will he fit in?

When Moyes came to Everton he discarded our Swedish trio of Alexandersson, Linderoth and Blomqvist without giving them any kind of a chance. He may well have been right but he seems to prejudge things rather than assessing situations and making adjustments as he goes along. He could have taken just Steve Round with him for now, worked with the existing coaches and then decided where he needed to make adjustments. It comes across that he's downgraded their coaching staff and surrounded himself with his usual yes men.
 
I'd love us to sign up all those United fellas who've just been sacked by Moyes.

They must have a right winning mentality from the Ferguson era - superb.

Sign them up!
 
butters said:
I'd love us to sign up all those United fellas who've just been sacked by Moyes.

They must have a right winning mentality from the Ferguson era - superb.

Sign them up!
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Why not? They'd probably be quite keen to show Moyes what they could do with a small club like Everton!
 

billycopper said:
It seems very odd to me that Moyes would replace

Phelan- Round (Assistant Manager)
Meulensteen- Neville (Coach)

Phelan "was Sir Alex Ferguson’s right-hand man during three Premier League title wins, a Club World Cup, two League Cups and two runs to the final of the UEFA Champions League".

"Rene has helped Sir Alex Ferguson secure the Premier League title in 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11 and 2012–13; the Community Shield in 2008, 2010, 2011, the League Cup in 2008–09 and 2009–10; the UEFA Champions League in 2007–08 and FIFA Club World Cup in 2008".

I respect that Moyes needs to make the position his own and to bring in people who share his working methodology but it seems illogical to jettison so much valuable experience. As the Guardian puts it "Moyes has discarded a total of nearly 30 years of coaching the Fergusonian way, three decades of wisdom and expertise soaked up from working with Britain's greatest manager".

Meulensteen holds the UEFA A license (compared to Neville's B) and was brought to United as a technical skills expert who specialised in the Coever method. He has 23 years coaching experience and has worked his way up through United's youth and reserve sides.

Warren Joyce was co-manager of their Reserves/U21 until Solskjaer left. Surely it would have made more sense for Neville to work under him alongside his role with England while he develops experience and qualifications. What sense is there in throwing him straight into the first team?

And Ferguson has promised Giggs a coaching role when he retires. Where will he fit in?

When Moyes came to Everton he discarded our Swedish trio of Alexandersson, Linderoth and Blomqvist without giving them any kind of a chance. He may well have been right but he seems to prejudge things rather than assessing situations and making adjustments as he goes along. He could have taken just Steve Round with him for now, worked with the existing coaches and then decided where he needed to make adjustments. It comes across that he's downgraded their coaching staff and surrounded himself with his usual yes men.
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This is a bit out there so bear with me.


Perhaps he'd seen them play before he was manager and realised they were next level turbo gash.
 
Maybe the Man u staff who are leaving, were leaving anyway (retiring) with Fergie. If they have been laid off then we need to get in there before City and Liverpool.
 
RadioFriendlyUnitShifter said:
I don't think fans can judge backroom staff. We really have no idea what they do or how well they do it now, do we?
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Mostly true although I think swisso's point on the prior page about the under-X setup is valid. We can (sort of) judge them by their progress and success (yes if you wanted to argue for the sake of it you could say someone different might do even better).

That said I think the under-X setup has earned a chance to stay intact and build on their great work so far.

The assistant/coaching pool? Yes it's harder to judge. Aside from the general idea that a strong defensive mind to assist Martinez seems like a good idea.

... oh and we'd probably all like to see people like Dunc stay for obvious reasons.
 
steken1 said:
This is a bit out there so bear with me.


Perhaps he'd seen them play before he was manager and realised they were next level turbo gash.
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Possible. If I was joining a club I would give myself a bit of time to work out what was good and what wasn't working and then change it. We know that Moyes is a ditherer so, to reach such quick decisions, he must have already decided not to consider them.
 
billycopper said:
Possible. If I was joining a club I would give myself a bit of time to work out what was good and what wasn't working and then change it. We know that Moyes is a ditherer so, to reach such quick decisions, he must have already decided not to consider them.
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He may well have been advised by SAF, the taking of staff from here could have been settled in talks when he was offered the job, United will have redundancy payments to make. Quite honestly so much of this seems to have been cut and dried for some time, it does not smack of anything recent which really does make me and others hugely suspicious:o
 

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