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Bestway site first pics (or should I say pic haha!!)

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Rob said:
forget it, them big money men aren't interested in us!

the reason the kirkby stadium is so good, is not only the location is so viable for a stadium but because we ain't paying for it...

This loop idea has been hammered by an architecual expert anyway, all this propaganda put out about the emirates being on an 8 acre site and the loop being a 9 acre site...

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/loopo-feasibility-analysis.html

if you read the thing on the everton OS you will see the emirates as a whole build needed something like 25 acres for safety and access reasons.
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Just playing devil's advocate for a moment... you are aware that the expert the Board used to debunk the Loop option is on the books for the Kirkby work... no Kirkby Stadium, no fee? Just a thought.

And as for the Emirates, the total area alloted to the Stadium is 17 acres, 8 for the ground, 9 for circulation and access.

By bringing on the likes of HOK and WSP (at considerable expense) Bestway certainly seem confident that the Loop can be a viable option - why else would they spend the money? They're a commercial operation, they would have no interest in wasting cash on fatuous exercises that would only make them look daft.

Surely the Board have a duty, when it comes to the most momentous decision in living memory, to ensure that all options are fully investigated.

I've always been pro move, and pro Kirkby, but the manner in which this emerging proposal has been dealt with causes me some real concerns. It seems either irrational, or that some other agenda is being served.

A side note: just a little digging shows that Bestway are a little more than a cash and carry outfit. They own the United Bank, a growing property investment business, cement plants in addition to the retail and food packaging arms to the Business... they're no Tesco's, but they're not a corner shop either.

Bestway have already intimated that they are looking to establish an enabling development on land across from the loop which would be bridged by the concourse shown on the scribbles provided.

This could turn into a serious proposition (whether LCC meant it to or not), I believe it would be negligence of the highest order, a dereliction of duty, if the Board didn't allow the option to reach maturity before a final decision were made
 
Tim Spencer, Director at Steer Davies Gleave - the company responsible for transport, crowd flow and evacuation capacity analysis for the Emirates Stadium, Croke Park, New Wembley and Stamford Bridge has dismissed the feasibility of the 'loop' site on Scotland Road as a possible site for a high specification 50,000 seat stadium.

After closely studying the site setting and current accessibility, Mr Spencer is quite adamant that the circa. 11-acre site could only safely house a stadium of around 30,000, although that figure could be stretched to a limit of 35,000.

And yet, he can't tell bear faced lies though, these are facts and no matter how many bridges we build, the location can NOT hold a stadium bigger than 35k and that as he put it would be a "stretch"

Why stretch to be smaller than we already are?
 
Also, Croke park the one I hadn't heard of holds 82,300 people in it...

So I somewhat think they know what they are on about, its not that these plans have been unfairly treated I think they have just been shown up for what they are, badly planned and poorly thought through attempts at swinging the vote because the LCC don't want us to move*.

*and yet they don't want to give us any serious alternative either.
 

Rob,

if you continue to read his piece it becomes evident that he does not account for any bridging work in his assessment:

full article:

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/loopo-feasibility-analysis.html

specifically:

"To make the design revealed today operate in a safe fashion would prove to be prohibitively expensive for Everton Football Club because of the necessary and perhaps extensive 'air right' building construction over highways and the need to provide connecting bridges to adjacent 'place of safety' areas and adequate pedestrian circulation and emergency vehicle access routes.

"All of this would have to be funded at great cost without the benefit of any large retail-led development that would, in the case of Kirkby, enable the development of a stadium with no operating/licensing risk to the club.
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What he's saying is, "you'll have to build over the roads, and I'm going to use some Planning phrases to make it sound more scary than it is... and isn't the Kirkby idea nice? I'm on that one you know"

The proposal put forward already deals with the points raised, and given time, we should be in a position to hear if the enabling development which Bestway mooted and he conveniently brushed to one side, would make the figures work.

I really wish the Club put this much effort into everything they did:P

Perhaps if they put maybe half of the effort into listening and assisting with the City Centre site as they have trying to drown it in propaganda we'd know either way, on could move on (in whichever direction) quite happily. The way this issue is being handled is actually starting to get a bit divisive and is threatening to overshadow a [Poor language removed] great start to the seasonb)
 
gordonjblair said:
Rob,

if you continue to read his piece it becomes evident that he does not account for any bridging work in his assessment:

full article:

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/loopo-feasibility-analysis.html

specifically:



What he's saying is, "you'll have to build over the roads, and I'm going to use some Planning phrases to make it sound more scary than it is... and isn't the Kirkby idea nice? I'm on that one you know"

The proposal put forward already deals with the points raised, and given time, we should be in a position to hear if the enabling development which Bestway mooted and he conveniently brushed to one side, would make the figures work.

I really wish the Club put this much effort into everything they did:P

Perhaps if they put maybe half of the effort into listening and assisting with the City Centre site as they have trying to drown it in propaganda we'd know either way, on could move on (in whichever direction) quite happily. The way this issue is being handled is actually starting to get a bit divisive and is threatening to overshadow a [Poor language removed] great start to the seasonb)
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Absolutely correct Blair, well said mate.(y) I've said for long enough that this is how Liverpool came about and some idiot somewhere will threaten to form a new club:angry:
 

I totally accept that we have no money and outside investment is needed for this, Bestway and LCC must at least be given some time to see if there is the slightest chance of us staying in the City.
Everton seem to be almost blinkered in their kirkby project.
I feel there is something not right about all of this, it's almost as if the custodians of Everton actually want to take us out of the city no mater what is now offered...
It might be that Kirkby is the only viable option but lets keep our eyes fully open.
 
If we wait around for LCC we will never move. We have been waiting for them all this time and they have come up with nothing, so we pursued other options. And now they come up with an idea. They had their chance and blew it.
 
YAY!!

lets build a 30k stadium inbetween a motorway...

GREAT IDEA.

love it, blinkered in their move to kirkby.... I think there are blinkers involved but the blinkers are called "KEIOC"
 

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