2024/25 Beto

Chermiti passed him by last season as well. If he had the ability to score a bunch of goals he'd be playing, Dyche may have failed this season but he would have started him if only for self-preservation.
Exactly. It’s crackers how many times we see fans think they know more than professional managers about what they see on the training field.
 

Goals per minute in the PL, you can't make a fair comparison otherwise given the massive disparity in the amount of time they've both been on the pitch.
Goals per minute, xG, I checked the League Table, you dont get points for any of these things.

Goals actually scored tho, I found them.

Anyway, Beto is weapons grade garbo and DCL is injured and probably leaving.

So im gonna wait for the Summer for our new hero.
 
honestly funny there is a debate about Beto. You just have to watch him control the ball, he is unfortunately not good enough for the prem. He does well in Italy, maybe he doesn't need the ball, but hard to see him making it here unless something drastically changes.
 
We are where we are this season because Dom has absolutely sucked. We were where we were last season because Maupay was the worst striker I have witnessed in my life. Our striker this year and last was next to no threat to the net. He missed plenty of guilt-edge chances that cost us points. We are far from a perfect team. Beto is likely not the answer to any question because most strikers aren't. But I am quite confused by the sudden vitriol towards Beto after we just won a game against a very good side due to his involvement. It's like people are getting their shots in while they can because we can't witness Dom continue to stink the joint out from the operating table. I don't get this mentality. It's dead weird. He wasn't getting the job done. He didn't get to prove Moyes turned his career around because he won't play. Spurs are relegation bait and were missing a ton of players. Odds are, things would not change. Let it go lads. He's gone. Forever.
 
Sure for DCL. Not for Beto.
Every manager that Beto has had during his time at Everton has thought he wasn’t/isn’t as good as DCL.

My eyes have told me they’re right, but even if they didn’t, given they see all their strikers on the training field on a day-to-day basis, I’ll assume they’re right. No matter what I think of them as managers.
 

Thanks mate, you too.

I just don't understand the excuses around Beto at all. He's not good enough for me. I don't like slaughtering people, but I don't know what he's meant to do. I don't see it.
I don't think he is good enough for us, we definitely need better forwards. I think that's a given. I think all me and others are saying is that given DCL is the worse in the league over the last 2 seasons with his goals against Xg that Beto should have had a run. It's hard to hit form if you are never given any consistent game time. If we play to his strengths, i.e. we need someone who can play balls like Harrison Armstrong made against Peterborough (that's either Armstrong or Lindstrom in current squad played centrally) then he will score a few goals and more than DCL would have. Anyway it's a bit of a moot discussion re DCL because he won't be playing again this season. If we can sign a better forward than Beto in this window, then great. If not then we have to play to Beto's strengths, which is running off the shoulder of defenders and making good runs into the box.
 
I don't think he is good enough for us, we definitely need better forwards. I think that's a given. I think all me and others are saying is that given DCL is the worse in the league over the last 2 seasons with his goals against Xg that Beto should have had a run. It's hard to hit form if you are never given any consistent game time. If we play to his strengths, i.e. we need someone who can play balls like Harrison Armstrong made against Peterborough (that's either Armstrong or Lindstrom in current squad played centrally) then he will score a few goals and more than DCL would have. Anyway it's a bit of a moot discussion re DCL because he won't be playing again this season. If we can sign a better forward than Beto in this window, then great. If not then we have to play to Beto's strengths, which is running off the shoulder of defenders and making good runs into the box.

I mean it's not true mate. DCLs goal record (i.e total goals which is what matters) and hold up play/general play is well better.

As are our results when DCL starts v Beto starting
 
Right there is your problem. It's also a nonsense argument when we've all literally seen managers continuing to play certain footballers/sides and its cost them their job. I also question the logic of anyone who says a forward doesn't deserve a run when the striker who's in the team has played 54 games and scored 10 goals with an xg of 21.48. That is just woeful.

It's not a nonsense argument. What would you do in the same situation? You'd do what you felt would keep you employed. This is the 2nd manager now that disagrees with you.

What Beto deserves or doesn't deserve has nothing to do with DCL. DCL can score zero goals but that still doesn't mean Beto is the better option or deserves a chance. He gets a chance every time he steps on the pitch and on the training ground.
 

I mean it's not true mate. DCLs goal record (i.e total goals which is what matters) and hold up play/general play is well better.

As are our results when DCL starts v Beto starting
His hold up play and general play is better. But he's been coasting as can be seen by the aerial and ground duels he's won this season. Beto has him beaten hands down for effort. You just can't compare him on total goals when he's hardly started a match and not had a single run of any consequence in the team. Nor can you compare results when Beto starts because there's no proper comparison given Beto hardly starts and has never had a run of games in the team. Thus we are left with goals per minute on the pitch as the only accurate comparison. That and Xg show Beto will score more than DCL. You may not like those stats but that's what they show.
 
It's not a nonsense argument. What would you do in the same situation? You'd do what you felt would keep you employed. This is the 2nd manager now that disagrees with you.

What Beto deserves or doesn't deserve has nothing to do with DCL. DCL can score zero goals but that still doesn't mean Beto is the better option or deserves a chance. He gets a chance every time he steps on the pitch and on the training ground.
You're embarrasing yourself with this nonsense.
 

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