2019/20 Bill Kenwright

[Papa Shango]

He oversaw the longest period in the club's history without any silverware. That is the definition of ruin and failure.

We were a proud club seen as one of the top clubs in the country, as recent as 25 years ago.

Now we are an utter irrelevance and accept failure on a weekly basis. The club has been ruined. It's getting worse and worse but no one seems to care.

You need to check your definitions then.

We were an "utter irrelevance" long before he took over.

It may be getting worse and worse but that has happened since the new bloke took over....

Honestly saying we are ruined whilst other clubs have gone to the wall during that time is ridiculous.

We are not quite as good as we used to be, imagine moaning about being the 5th or 6th best club (which we were for a large part of his time here) in the "best" league in the world whilst the likes of Bury are going out of business for example.

I see no pride in that. All I see is petulance.

 

[murphy89]

Kenwright has a better track record at hiring managers then Moshiri tbf.

 

[catcherintherye]

By moving us from perennial bottom of the table strugglers to best of the rest?

Its hardly enough to have a party over but you (and many others to be fair) have a strange concept of ruin.

Nothing has been ruined, we are just a bit average.

I'm not being horrible mate, but in the 20 before he arrived we had won the league, cup, Cup winners Cup, Charity Shield etc (most on multiple occasions). In the 20 years since we have won nothing.

Whoever has come in subsequently in the last 3-4 years is irrelevant, he has remained chairman and that means the buck stops with him. If he doesn't want that he ought to resign and let somebody else have that responsibility.

It's also a myth to say it went wrong under Moshiri. Under Kenwright the last 2 seasons saw us finish with 47 points outside of the top half.

He made one good decision, to appoint and keep faith with David Moyes. He papered over lots of cracks. When he left they were visible to be seen.

We are faced with the real possibility of going into a Merseyside derby, waving the white flag of surrender with a manager who knows he has no future.We did the same under Martinez 4 years ago and got annihilated. If you're ok with that then thats your opinion and you're welcome to it, but I think it's absolutely unforgivable.

 

[catcherintherye]

That wa# the reasoning behind appointing Sam.

He kept the chair warm for Silva.

And that is what worries me most

It's a dereliction of duty to think in such a way.

Why is it going to be any easier in 6 months time? Why is Moyes going to accept a 6 month contract?

We will end up having to give him (at least) an 18 month contract, and best case paying him off a fortune in the summer again (all money wasted) because he board can't get their act together and locate the right manager.

If Moyes comes and goes this season that will mean we are onto our 6th manager in just over 4 years under Moshiri. It's an absolute shambles.

 

[Papa Shango]

I'm not being horrible mate, but in the 20 before he arrived we had won the league, cup, Cup winners Cup, Charity Shield etc (most on multiple occasions). In the 20 years since we have won nothing.

Whoever has come in subsequently in the last 3-4 years is irrelevant, he has remained chairman and that means the buck stops with him. If he doesn't want that he ought to resign and let somebody else have that responsibility.

It's also a myth to say it went wrong under Moshiri. Under Kenwright the last 2 seasons saw us finish with 47 points outside of the top half.

He made one good decision, to appoint and keep faith with David Moyes. He papered over lots of cracks. When he left they were visible to be seen.

We are faced with the real possibility of going into a Merseyside derby, waving the white flag of surrender with a manager who knows he has no future.We did the same under Martinez 4 years ago and got annihilated. If you're ok with that then thats your opinion and you're welcome to it, but I think it's absolutely unforgivable.

The twenty years beforehand were our most successful period ever! There was a massive gap between lets say 1989 onwards, days where we had 13k in the ground and couldn't buy a thing from the club shop.

Again its another case of me saying that things are not THAT bad everyone assumes I love Kenwright, that's not the case at all, never has been, I just think a large portion of our fans are being incredibly precious getting angry about only being in the top 6 year year in year out or currently getting angry because our 400m spending hasn't quite worked out.

Other clubs have a right to get proper angry about things.

What on earth makes you think that I am OK with getting beat at Anfield? What do you want the club to do? Sack him now and get nobody in? Get a new manager in and have him taste the derby hammering?

All I keep hearing is people demanding some form of change, blaming all and sundry and giving zero solutions at the same time.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Whilst Kenwright takes a lot of stick he shouldn’t have to do anything at Everton given Moshiri is owner, DBB is CEO, and Brands is DOF. Yet it seems that he still has to be called into rescue transfer dealings and advise on the stadium. Truly bizarre. What is DBB doing? Not a word from her as we continue to bounce from one catastrophe to another.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Whilst Kenwright takes a lot of stick he shouldn’t have to do anything at Everton given Moshiri is owner, DBB is CEO, and Brands is DOF. Yet it seems that he still has to be called into rescue transfer dealings and advise on the stadium. Truly bizarre. What is DBB doing? Not a word from her as we continue to bounce from one catastrophe to another.

Wasn't it Kenwright that hired DBB? Prwtty sure that was his choice.

 

[Steve Wigan]

Whilst Kenwright takes a lot of stick he shouldn’t have to do anything at Everton given Moshiri is owner, DBB is CEO, and Brands is DOF. Yet it seems that he still has to be called into rescue transfer dealings and advise on the stadium. Truly bizarre. What is DBB doing? Not a word from her as we continue to bounce from one catastrophe to another.

CEO has a different brief these days...its an administrative position that looks after the clerical side of the club,and is not as broad a job that it was under,say, Wyness or Enstone. The nitty gritty stuff re signings is on the Russian directors desk, and BK does have input. WHEN HE IS ASKED. Bills is a consultative position these days, so to that extent he has input(the man has years of experience) but decisions are not his to make. And rest assured, Moshiri talks to Usmanov on pretty much a daily basis. BK is physically not fit enough to be involved in the daily running of the club and while he may become non executive President one day, any influence will be long gone before Bramley Moor becomes a physical entity.

 

[neilsyd]

We DO have one man at the top.

People just want to find someone to blame who fits an agenda.

We are boss at finding scapegoats.

What is Kenwright still doing there then? Why are we being strongly linked with David Moyes. Is this guy the man you’re referring to? What is Brands remit as far as hiring and firing a manager?

 

[catcherintherye]

The twenty years beforehand were our most successful period ever! There was a massive gap between lets say 1989 onwards, days where we had 13k in the ground and couldn't buy a thing from the club shop.

Again its another case of me saying that things are not THAT bad everyone assumes I love Kenwright, that's not the case at all, never has been, I just think a large portion of our fans are being incredibly precious getting angry about only being in the top 6 year year in year out or currently getting angry because our 400m spending hasn't quite worked out.

Other clubs have a right to get proper angry about things.

What on earth makes you think that I am OK with getting beat at Anfield? What do you want the club to do? Sack him now and get nobody in? Get a new manager in and have him taste the derby hammering?

All I keep hearing is people demanding some form of change, blaming all and sundry and giving zero solutions at the same time.

I am on board with a nuanced debate on Kenwright. I have no issue with that and he did some things well. I would say he created a very clear and realistic ethos for the club which was a company philosophy that resonated to all aspects of the business. It's not all bad, but if you look at it overall, he's not got the skill base to be our chairman and relative to the sides above us, we are further behind those top sides than at any point in our history. The two statements above are linked. Trying to make out David Moyes over achieving covered that up not conducive to recognising the problems we face.

In all honesty fans are right to be annoyed at £400 million being wasted. However anger doesn't solve a lot. We do need to start asking why that has occurred. The one constant throughout this period has been Kenwright as chairman. My concern is that if we continue with him as chairman I have very little faith he can lead the business to success, as his position requires.

I would agree he may not be the main problem, but the book stops with him. I don't think he holds people to account adequately.

As for the Anfield game, I doubt you'd be happy with defeat, but there seems to be a lack of urgency all around to do anything to mitigate against this. If Silva is gone, clear him out and put Unsworth in charge. Or ascertain why your DOF has not found a replacement and completed the deal. Or if he doesn't feel he's able to do so, have the club put out a statement offering support to Silva. However to allow the situation to meander as it is, without having the basic decency to communicate with supporters is an insult to fans and shows how little he really thinks of us.

My longer term solution I have been fairly clear about. We need to go and get top quality people in key positions on the board. To me I'd go and get Terry Leahy and Brian Gilvary to have filled our Chairman and CEO births and would clear off DBB and Bill Kenwright. If you have people of that competency in clear roles I think you'd start to see change. In fairness that is more a critique of Farhad than it is Bill. He can't help the fact he's left in a role he can't perform.

 

[Big Sams Little Pecker]

Non executive president... Jesus Christ

 

[catcherintherye]

Whilst Kenwright takes a lot of stick he shouldn’t have to do anything at Everton given Moshiri is owner, DBB is CEO, and Brands is DOF. Yet it seems that he still has to be called into rescue transfer dealings and advise on the stadium. Truly bizarre. What is DBB doing? Not a word from her as we continue to bounce from one catastrophe to another.

DBB has to me really let herself down during this period. We were told she was completely different to Elstone, much better at communicating etc. Not a sound from her. Not a sound from her about funding of the stadium. Not a sound from her about why it is limited to 52k. Not a sound from her about why our commercial revenues remain static and we fall further behind our rivals. Not a sound from her about this poor run of form that leaves us well short of the goals she outlined.
She needs to be removed from her position and banished from the club. An utter coward.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Will celebrate the day he buggers off like a cup win.

Orrible bloke with an ego the size of Segundo Castillo's thighs.

 

[catcherintherye]

CEO has a different brief these days...its an administrative position that looks after the clerical side of the club,and is not as broad a job that it was under,say, Wyness or Enstone. The nitty gritty stuff re signings is on the Russian directors desk, and BK does have input. WHEN HE IS ASKED. Bills is a consultative position these days, so to that extent he has input(the man has years of experience) but decisions are not his to make. And rest assured, Moshiri talks to Usmanov on pretty much a daily basis. BK is physically not fit enough to be involved in the daily running of the club and while he may become non executive President one day, any influence will be long gone before Bramley Moor becomes a physical entity.

The issue you have Steve is that Bill and Denise are doing roles that may well have worth but are not what their titles requires. This is exacerbated by the requirement for top people in those positions.

Bill should just be a none exec director on the board, a sounding board for people and a helpful hand where required. DBB sounds to me like an office manager or a secretary. The CEO at our club really ought to be focussed upon driving commercial revenues. If she feels her brief is to manage the buildings thats fine, but get someone in at CEO who can drive the commercial performance forward. After 18 months (and many years at the club) it's safe to say that person is not her.

 

[catcherintherye]

We DO have one man at the top.

People just want to find someone to blame who fits an agenda.

We are boss at finding scapegoats.

The majority shareholder employees the chairman to manage the club though. It's hard to say you scapegoat the person at the top, the person at the top ought to take responsibility that comes with the job.

If he doesn't want that remit, then he ought to resign and allow someone who is able to fulfil that role to undertake it. However all the while he remains as chairman,and his fellow board members continue to underperform, questions will be asked about why they are not being held to account better.