davek
Player Valuation: £150m
That looks like Southport on July 12th.
Brazil v Holland
- Thread starter davek
- Start date
- Status
That looks like Southport on July 12th.
I'm loving ze Dutch personally, its a results game, anything else is conjecture.
Rook
Player Valuation: £80m
Maybe it's just me and I'm looking through orange tinted glasses here, but to compare Brazil vs Holland with the Barca vs Inter encounter is a bit too much in my eyes. Think the Dutch played very well the 2nd half and we could easily have scored 2 or 3 more. Agree on the total football bit though. A new era has arrived and the Dutch finally realise there's more to football than just play beautiful. In the end it's all about results and we finally have a crop of players and a coach that does understand that concept. Welcome to the new realism!
It wasn't the fact that you played football that wasn't pleasing on the eye. I like plenty of squads that work hard for the cause. It was all the diving, cheating and ref baiting the the Dutch was doing. Now Brasil wasn't much better as any team that puts Danni Alves in its starting lineup shouldn't have much to complain about. Both sides played crap cheating footie.
Between Van Brommel and Mascherano I have no idea how many ankles they are to break to get a card. Granted Mascherano finally got one but that was when the match was over. How is it that Muller is out having a ball hit his stomach while VanBrommel still gets to play is beyond me.
Fair enough, if that's your opinion, but personally I can't see a disgrace in what we're trying to do here. Win that damned world goblet at all costs. I never heard our national squad speaking so determined, full of confidence and self belief. Normal procedure was to outplay opponents for the groupstages and starting to believe the hype started by the media. Next 2 rounds normally meant exit Holland.
You saying it was bad luck that prevented us from winning the world cup before, doesn't do it in my eyes. Personally think it was more down to mental strength. We didn't have bad luck against Germany in 1974, no the Germans wanted it more. Really convinced it's as simple as that. Argentina '78 was different, as it was all about politics at that time. All other tournaments always ended up in shattered dreams, as we might be reknowned for our 'total football', but as long that doesn't include winning, what's the point in that?
Of course things can still go wrong now, but seeing our players so determined to win, gives me a lot of confidence for the final result. Just like van Persie said right after the Brazil game: "Great to beat Brazil, but we don't have anything as it stands and we want everything." So, don't really care how the rest of the world perceives us, as I'd love to finally have something to show for in the end.
Agreed on that, but I'm actually loving it to see us doing that. There was an article in the papers over here, highlighting that aspect of our game. Normally it was our opponent, doing the, the diving, the cheating, the provoking and the winding up and was it us who suffered red cards and caused us to lose our heads. Not this time though, as we finally learnt that aspect of the game. Van Bommel certainly is an expert in that and it's an essential part of the game. First thing he does is sound out the referee and get into his good books. Always talking, always apologising and always complimenting. As said you love him, or you hate him as a player. Think it's clear what my opinion is.
Cena
Player Valuation: £70m
Love the dutch. See the Brazilians in the middle of all that? If that was England they would of been beaten up. Hoping Holland win it, especially as i have a tenner on them.
Rook
Player Valuation: £80m
Count me out of the win at all costs group. If Everton played like that I would have a hard time putting on my jersey even if we had success. If I enjoyed that kind of footie I think I'd be a RS fan.
Fair enough if that's your opinion. Personally gave up on romantisizing football a long time ago. Accepted that the best footballing team doesn't always win, so lets try a different approach this time. For me it's all about the final result.
Oh and for the record, I don't like the RS one little bit*lol*.
Oh and for the record, I don't like the RS one little bit*lol*.
Rook
Player Valuation: £80m
What happened though. Holland played nice footie in Euro 2008. As for the cheating I do have to admit its no worse than a C-League knockout matchup which is why I don't see what all the fuss is about getting into the C-League at all costs. Would rather win the FA cup or the UEFA goblet anyday over finishing 4th.
But isn't that exactly the point? Sure Holland played nice footy during Euro 2008, but what did we win, except a round of applause for our efforts? Also, looking back to those matches, we played 2 teams, where the rot was already starting to settle in and we also gave an awful lot away at the back during those matches. Next up Russia and the Dutch were all over the place, getting absolutely hammered by Arshavin & co. Going forward is not the problem with our players, but we're fragile at the back, so add some security to it, with 2 controlling cm's. Might not be pleasing to the eye, but it's certainly a lot more realistic compared to van Basten's or Advocaat's reign. That plus we have a much bigger quality in our sguad now.
Agreed there Cena.
ToxtethBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
I don't think Van Marwijk is trying to play dull, pragmatic football to be honest, it's just turned out that way. The Dutch haven't found that balance or combination in terms of passing the ball and sometimes that can happen. They haven't needed too given the lack of competitiveness in the games they've played, they've been able to grind teams down, slowly but surely.
And it's not like they are playing like England, there football is controlled and they have the ability to dictate long periods of possession, even if it is short and simple stuff with little flair and imagination. That's the difference really. And look at this Dutch side compared to the last one in 2008, it's not majorly different to Van Basten's team. 4-2-3-1 was the formation then and it contained two holding midfielders in Engelaar and De Jong. They just clicked more as a 'footballing' side, and that can happen.
And It won't cause any long term problems for Dutch football, there academies have had a certain style ingrained into it for a long, long time. That isn't going to change, Dutch footballers are developed long before they reach the senior side of international football.
Italy's problem is they left half of there best players at home, Lippi didn't even bring the likes of Rossi, Balotelli, Cassano and Totti. That, and Pirlo barely featured.
And it's not like they are playing like England, there football is controlled and they have the ability to dictate long periods of possession, even if it is short and simple stuff with little flair and imagination. That's the difference really. And look at this Dutch side compared to the last one in 2008, it's not majorly different to Van Basten's team. 4-2-3-1 was the formation then and it contained two holding midfielders in Engelaar and De Jong. They just clicked more as a 'footballing' side, and that can happen.
And It won't cause any long term problems for Dutch football, there academies have had a certain style ingrained into it for a long, long time. That isn't going to change, Dutch footballers are developed long before they reach the senior side of international football.
Italy's problem is they left half of there best players at home, Lippi didn't even bring the likes of Rossi, Balotelli, Cassano and Totti. That, and Pirlo barely featured.
Agree with most of your post TB, but there certainly is more quality in this current Dutch squad. Engelaar simply isn't good enough for this level, where Mark van Bommel clearly has something extra to give. Also van der Wiel is a reinforcement on the 2008 squad. Add Eljero Elia to that list and a more experienced Afellay. On top of that the Dutch big four (Sneijder, van Persie, VDV and Robben) are reaching the peak of their careers. Also think the team spirit is 2nd to none this time around and that certainly plays a major role.
Couldn't agree more on van Marwijk though. Think he shows a lot of similarities to our very own Moyesiah.
Couldn't agree more on van Marwijk though. Think he shows a lot of similarities to our very own Moyesiah.
- Status
Welcome
Join Grand Old Team to get involved in the Everton discussion. Signing up is quick, easy, and completely free.
Shop
