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Bullard and Altidore

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Dozy Altidore is proper [Poor language removed], TxB hit it spot on, hes just a [Poor language removed] Anchiebe.

And I agree with whoever said Bullards time has come, 3-4 years ago yeah, but we are way past Jimmy Bullard players.
 
Bullard is a top guy. Was reading the guardian's interview on him when asked that Hull hasn't beat Arsenal since 1914 he replied "See!! We can beat them!"

However he's probably too old and his knees are swiss cheese last thing we need on this squad is an injury prone player.

The book on Altidore is this. He'll get 15-20 league goals in Spain/England.....in 2019 (which he'll still only be 29). He has one world class move. He's great at backing into a defender, getting leverage and turning them. He even managed to do it against Spain and on the basis of this one move I have no doubt that he is capable of scoring a couple goals in the WC against Algeria, Slovakia, and uh the craptacular John Terry. His shot on goal is also pretty accurate as well.

However right now that is his only move (when more accomplished big strikers like Carew have 3-4 go to moves), unfortunately it doesn't work against double teams (which is why at the WC we defo need Davies back) and becasue he's always trying to pull it off he forgets to do other things like hold up the ball or getting a flick on to an unrushing attacker. He very raw and still needs alot of coaching and minutes which I'm not sure we can provide. I'd have no problem getting him but its a loooooong term investment. You have to be committed to him and at times live with the growing pains.
 
MikelsGoat said:
Dozy Altidore is proper [Poor language removed], TxB hit it spot on, hes just a [Poor language removed] Anchiebe.

And I agree with whoever said Bullards time has come, 3-4 years ago yeah, but we are way past Jimmy Bullard players.
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respectfully disagree with this statement. Altidore is far from pure [Poor language removed] - the boy can with out a doubt play, but is in desperate need of talent around him (which Hull is far from).

If Altidore were in blue with the same support as Anchiebe has on the field, I think Altidore edges out Anchiebe... plus Altidore isn't made out of glass like Anchiebe.
 
Love Bullard... but he is so injury prone and in reality he isn't better than Osman in the middle. He's also a money grabber, with his move from Fulham to Hull, surprised nobody pointed that out, it was worse than Lescott, he clearly moved to a weaker team only for money.

Altidore - like him, but he isn't very realistic option, and I also believe in Vic. If we would have to look at this type of players, I would check Ishmael Miller out, didn't see him playing after last season injury, and he was doing well for WBA before that.
 
pete the postie said:
If Hull go down and look to sell, who amongst you agree with me when I say I'd love both Bullard (maybe an injury risk but look at Louis) and Altidore to come to us?
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Add Hunt and you have the 3 best players on that team. Bullard will have a higher cost associated I'm sure since he's been around the block, plus he fled Fulham for money... that right there tells me where his priorities are.

I'd honestly go after Altidore though; the dude just turned 20 and has a very good game. He couldn't have a worse supporting cast than he does at Hull, and he's a selfless player on the pitch - he would fit into the "team" concept at Everton very well. He's not going to be a guy that would start right away for you - i see him as a guy you bring up to speed with your group. He's not [Poor language removed], he just plays on a [Poor language removed] team. Put him on most any other team and he's far more productive. If you watch his game, he's very technical and is great on the ball. I don't have any disillusions that Altidore is great, just that I don't think what you've seen from him at Hull is at all a fair sample size to measure his talents. For what it's worth, I don't see Altidore as a regular starter here just yet; he'd be a reserve guy getting rotation in as a sub (a'la Rodwell status). If you keep your expectations in-line with what he is, you wouldn't be disappointed. He's not going to come in and be Torres, for example. :lol:

Plus i bought Altidore (for cheap!) for Everton on Fifa10, and he's leading the Premier League in goals :lol:

Edit: after reading this thread, where did the Anichebe/Altidore comparison come from? I don't know why the two would be connected at all. I don't see one replacing the other?
 
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Rook said:
The book on Altidore is this. He'll get 15-20 league goals in Spain/England.....in 2019 (which he'll still only be 29). He has one world class move. He's great at backing into a defender, getting leverage and turning them. He even managed to do it against Spain and on the basis of this one move I have no doubt that he is capable of scoring a couple goals in the WC against Algeria, Slovakia, and uh the craptacular John Terry. His shot on goal is also pretty accurate as well.

However right now that is his only move (when more accomplished big strikers like Carew have 3-4 go to moves), unfortunately it doesn't work against double teams (which is why at the WC we defo need Davies back) and becasue he's always trying to pull it off he forgets to do other things like hold up the ball or getting a flick on to an unrushing attacker. He very raw and still needs alot of coaching and minutes which I'm not sure we can provide. I'd have no problem getting him but its a loooooong term investment. You have to be committed to him and at times live with the growing pains.
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Generally I agree with this, but the other thing about Altidore is that he doesn't seem to have the proper pace or work-rate. Early on in his loan-spell at Hull I thought it was a fitness or playing-time issue, but it just goes on and on. It seems that he only really runs when he has the ball, but even then he doesn't have the requisite control so he is apt to mis-foot it.

So, no, I wouldn't go in for Altidore unless you wanted him as a project. If Moyes could work with him for a season then he might turn into something useful, but he probably wouldn't be worth the price.
 
The thing with Jozy is that he needs to start most games with his club, something I don't think he will do here. Right now I'd rather him play elsewhere, but maybe in the future we could have a Donovan-Jozy tandem.(y)

ps. I don't know why I use his first name. I guess it's just easier.
 
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You can't compare Altidore with Anichebe anyway. One is American and, like most Americans who come over here, had a great work ethic, the other is Vic! Despite the goals he got us in Europe a couple of seasons back (something I suspect he may still be living on the back of) I'd swap them in the blink of an eye.
 

Altidore's "problem" is that he's big and strong and not a hold up player...everyone wants him to be one, but he just isn't. He's been most dangerous this season playing off of Venegoor of Hesselink.

Certainly he needs to improve his hold-up game, but he's definitely more comfortable out on the wing with the ball at his feet.

I don't see him coming to a club like Everton. Either he goes back to the yellow submarine or is loaned out to another smaller club. He still needs to prove himself as a striker before going to a club like Everton.

Bullard will be 32 near the beginning of next season, and is brittle. I don't see a fit. Hunt, however, I could see.
 
pfim said:
Altidore's "problem" is that he's big and strong and not a hold up player...everyone wants him to be one, but he just isn't. He's been most dangerous this season playing off of Venegoor of Hesselink.

Certainly he needs to improve his hold-up game, but he's definitely more comfortable out on the wing with the ball at his feet.

I don't see him coming to a club like Everton. Either he goes back to the yellow submarine or is loaned out to another smaller club. He still needs to prove himself as a striker before going to a club like Everton.

Bullard will be 32 near the beginning of next season, and is brittle. I don't see a fit. Hunt, however, I could see.
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Agree with Hunt. Can't think why I never mentioned him too! :blink:
 
pete the postie said:
If Hull go down and look to sell, who amongst you agree with me when I say I'd love both Bullard (maybe an injury risk but look at Louis) and Altidore to come to us?
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Jimmy Bullard's just been pulled off with the Hull crowd well on his back.

If Hull release him, we might want to look at him purely as cover for Arteta on the cheap (free)? Purely as a midfielder, given cup games and all sorts.


Or am I off my head today with this one?
 
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Jimmy Bullard's just been pulled off with the Hull crowd well on his back.

If Hull release him, we might want to look at him purely as cover for Arteta on the cheap (free)? Purely as a midfielder, given cup games and all sorts.


Or am I off my head today with this one?
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What bad meffs at Hull, clearly and by far their best player all year and he got all kinds of abuse even before he missed the penalty i hope they get badly relegated from the championship. Wheather you rate him or not Bullard is a good lad.
 

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