Can Everton still be considered a “big club”?

Are Everton still a big club?

  • Yes

    Votes: 140 59.6%

  • No

    Votes: 65 27.7%

  • About the same lad

    Votes: 30 12.8%
  • Total voters
    235
Andy McGurk said:
Had some fun with ChatGPT, then got annoyed, then feel a little more satisfied but still aggrieved.

This is long read but worth it

Newcastle United – Yes, Newcastle have a huge fanbase, but only 4 major trophies (last league title in 1927, last FA Cup in 1955). Everton’s success far outweighs theirs historically.

Tottenham Hotspur – Spurs are a big club but have only 2 league titles (last in 1961). Their European pedigree is weaker than Everton’s. Their 2019 UCL final run is impressive, but Everton still has the bigger historical impact.
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Most of the ChatGPT stuff you found there seemed quite accurate but 2 points I noticed.

Newcastle's huge fanbase - their fanbase must be one of the most exaggerated in English Football, if not the most. It's clear they do have a large matchgoing fanbase and despite what some of our fans say, they have shown loyalty over many years - they have the highest average in the 2nd Tier out of any club in England - 56K in 1948 and 51K in 2017. But their 52K crowds in the PL era have often been described as huge, but other clubs don't seem to get bigged up to the same extent. West Ham and Spurs get 10K more and the media doesn't seem to give their fanbases the hype that Newcastle get. Wonder if we will when we move to our 53K new stadium.

Spurs' European pedigree being weaker than ours is just wrong. Not sure how it reached that conclusion. They have 3 Euroepean Trophies and got to a CL final. Also played quite a few seasons in the CL.
 

In 87 we were. We talked the talk for a bit but stopped walking the walk. The club lived off the past and chose not to move in to the future. Big club in name only.

After 30 odd years we've been left behind times change. Having said that even moderate success under TFG will elevate us and change perception. We're still a big name. Bigger than Newcastle. Forest. Etc
 
Davideeyore said:
In 87 we were. We talked the talk for a bit but stopped walking the walk. The club lived off the past and chose not to move in to the future. Big club in name only.

After 30 odd years we've been left behind times change. Having said that even moderate success under TFG will elevate us and change perception. We're still a big name. Bigger than Newcastle. Forest. Etc
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The current Everton FC is a club that likes to live in the past - this is a culture that has been fostered in the absence of any meaningful present day success
 

Although MUFC and LFC, and probably Arsenal, tick all the boxes, the rest is all about perception.
We are all biased, of course, but how on earth NUFC and THFC are in there while we are not, is baffling.
 

By modern standards we're no longer a "big" club.
Modern standards are based on trophies won, domestic and world wide fanbase and media coverage. All of which have become of paramount importance over the last 30 years or so.
Only the performance in the Premier league and European champions league seems to matter now. The old 1st division days are largely forgotten.
We are has beens.
 
What does 'big club' actually mean. I stupidly presumed it was titles won, cups won, fan base size. If that's the case, why are Leicester and Newcastle even mentioned ?? If the term 'big club' disregards historical accomplishments.. well yeah we're small fry.
 

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