Jim Hopper
Player Valuation: £40m
Ancelotti derangement syndrome.
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Ancelotti derangement syndrome.
BrendanGOT
Player Valuation: £30m
Was thinking this the other day, it's like propaganda. It's like they think if they convince everyone it won't happen then it actually won't. They want us to fail so much that they put out rubbish about us to create apathy and put the knife of doubt and fear into our hopes and dreams. Doing their best to keep us down. Can only hope the club ignore it and it doesnt affect the project, players or manager. We can prove them wrong, one trophy and a good league finish then they'll be forced to change their tunes.
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Because they won the league 3.5 years ago and have bought exceptionally well in the subsequent years since.
They have a young squad, a far better squad than we do, that is in a good position to compete with the top six right now.
Our squad, by our own admittance, needs a lot of work to get in to that position and we haven't achieved what they have in recent years.
On that basis, it's natural to assume that Leicester are in a better position than us.
We're basing our ideas that we'll usurp Leicester on the assumption that the club will spend astronomical amounts of money, PSG and City levels of spending, and do so in an efficient way that propels the club forward quickly.
That may well be the case, but you can't argue it would be unprecedented if we were to do so.
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brieverton
Player Valuation: £50m
It does irk me but we've got to do our talking on the pitch from now on.
We have enough of a history about us, which when combined with the state we have been in both long-term and over the last few years, has sort of given us a tag as the league's most dysfunctional club. More than West Ham or Newcastle, because they haven't won anything in modern history.
Ancelotti was asked about the Champions League in his first in-house interview, and I honestly think it's a bit silly at this stage and doesn't help. It more or less invites ridicule and the media will be happy to oblige.
Spurs were portrayed in much the same light before they came good and I see no reason why we can't emulate them, let alone Leicester provided we get our act together on all levels.
Until then, and although its lazy journalism we have to pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps.
Debunkology
Player Valuation: £10m
Parrots the lot of them.
Man Utd - 1990 - 13th (and 3 bottom half finishes in 4 seasons)
Man Utd - 1993 - Champion of England
Leeds United - 1990 - Second Tier of English Football
Leeds United - 1992 - Champions Of England
Blackburn Rovers - 1992 - Second Tier of English Football
Blackburn Rovers - 1995 - Champions Of England
Arsenal - 1995 - 12th
Arsenal - 1998 - Champions of England
Man City - 1999 - Third Tier of English Football
Man City - 2009 - Finished 10th (decade of fighting relegation)
Man City - 2012 - Champions of England
Chelsea - 1988 - Second Tier of English football
Chelsea - 1996 - 11th (and forever a mediocre club)
Chelsea - 1999 - 3rd
Chelsae - 2005 - Champions Of England
Leicester - 2015 - 15th
Leicester - 2016 - Champions of England
English football is litered with Clubs being mediocre for years only to dominate or win the league out of the blue. But the very BEST example of them all is the history of Everton.
EVERTON
1889 - 8th (out of 12 clubs)
1891 - Champions of England
1914 - 15th
1915 - Champions of England
1927 - 20th
1928 - Champions of England
1931 - Second Tier of English football
1932 - Champions of England
1938 - 14th
1939 - Champions of England
1960 - 16th
1963 - Champions of England
1966 - 11th
1970 - Champions of England
1980 - 19th
1981 - 15th
1985 - Champions Of England
1987 - Champions Of England
Everytime Everton has won the league, five seasons prior they either struggled or finished in the bottom half. Even in 1954 when they just missed out, they finished 16th the season prior.
Debunkology
Player Valuation: £10m
Players do not turn crap overnight. Looking back at our transfers, every journalist was parroting each other how well Everton have spend. For the past few seasons Everton have been dubbed the winners of the transfer market. We have a good squad. That's why Ancelotti took the role. It has massively underperformed. Moise Kean is a prime example, there is an excellent striker there.
Cameron Manning
Player Valuation: £35m
Good post. Let’s all ignore these negative views of the media hounds, time will tell, and when we are back up at the top, which we will be, remember the hypocrites who will start to praise us, give them the finger and tell them to take their platitudes with them.
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I agree, players do not become poor overnight and it's fair to argue that the team has underperformed but, by how much, we can't really be sure.
Personally, I never believed this team was good enough to challenge the top six going into this season, but given the level of spending under recent managers that always has to be the target. The simple fact of matter is that a lot of our players just are not as good as we thought they were.
Circa £250m spent on Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Walcott, Tosun, Keane, Mina, Pickford, Bernard, Gomes and Iwobi - and they haven't been remotely impressive signings. Some of those will still get the chance to prove they can improve, but I suspect they won't make the cut. Gbamin and Kean have barely played so will need time too and hopefully they become the players Carlo needs them to be.
But by your logic, the journalists were right then, when they were saying how well we'd spent and how we'd won transfer windows - and they are wrong now, when they're saying we got it wrong and that there's a lot of work to be done to get us to the level we aspire to?
Can't have it both ways mate.
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Wat Tyler
Player Valuation: £70m
Superb work.
Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
Very true but the ones we do have and capable of playing need to get fingers out and brains in gear.
Lob
Player Valuation: £50m
Fella on twitter did a cracking breakdown on this ridiculous ongoing campaign of disrespect against Everton a few days ago. Cannot argue with facts.
To quote:
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"Abramovich 2003, Chelsea no league win for 48 years. The FA Cup win in 97’ broke trophy drought of 25 years. Mourinho, European Champion being able to command a bigger job than Chelsea, was an instant media hit. They loved calling him “the special one”
Shinawatra 07 / Abu Dhabi Group 08. City not won a league for 39/40 years and without a trophy for 38. Given a stadium for free. Lauded as “not only the richest club in Manchester, but the World”. First £500m seen as a “gift” (pre-FFP)
Spurs. Not won the league for 59 years or a major trophy since 91. Mourinho the “right man” at Spurs as he’s a changed man.
Everton. Considered vanity project. “There is also a fair chance Everton will make Carlo Ancelotti their fourth sober, balanced, carefully-weighted managerial appointment in the last three-and-a-half years.” A manager “on the way down.”
Arteta seen as a “There is titillation and intrigue in the idea of Arteta trying to figure things out at Arsenal” but Everton “lack a coherent strategy” with Anchelotti.
Why are we dumbed down continually be the media? One of the most successful clubs ever, a good chance of being even further successful if it wasn’t for the intervention of 2 world wars and the media darling loveable neighbours.
What is the problem with ambition? Why shouldn’t the club look for the best possible option to improve itself? Not TalkSport telling us we should appreciate Big Sam, when we went 4 games without a shot. A SHOT. AT THE GOAL.
“What do they want?”, “What more do the Everton fans want?” How about a trophy? A winning team? A chance to not be belittled as if we are in the lower leagues and “it’s just a nice day out for them”.
9 leagues, 5 FA Cups & a European trophy. How dare we look for more of the same when only 4 have done it better. #EFC #UTF"
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To quote:
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"Abramovich 2003, Chelsea no league win for 48 years. The FA Cup win in 97’ broke trophy drought of 25 years. Mourinho, European Champion being able to command a bigger job than Chelsea, was an instant media hit. They loved calling him “the special one”
Shinawatra 07 / Abu Dhabi Group 08. City not won a league for 39/40 years and without a trophy for 38. Given a stadium for free. Lauded as “not only the richest club in Manchester, but the World”. First £500m seen as a “gift” (pre-FFP)
Spurs. Not won the league for 59 years or a major trophy since 91. Mourinho the “right man” at Spurs as he’s a changed man.
Everton. Considered vanity project. “There is also a fair chance Everton will make Carlo Ancelotti their fourth sober, balanced, carefully-weighted managerial appointment in the last three-and-a-half years.” A manager “on the way down.”
Arteta seen as a “There is titillation and intrigue in the idea of Arteta trying to figure things out at Arsenal” but Everton “lack a coherent strategy” with Anchelotti.
Why are we dumbed down continually be the media? One of the most successful clubs ever, a good chance of being even further successful if it wasn’t for the intervention of 2 world wars and the media darling loveable neighbours.
What is the problem with ambition? Why shouldn’t the club look for the best possible option to improve itself? Not TalkSport telling us we should appreciate Big Sam, when we went 4 games without a shot. A SHOT. AT THE GOAL.
“What do they want?”, “What more do the Everton fans want?” How about a trophy? A winning team? A chance to not be belittled as if we are in the lower leagues and “it’s just a nice day out for them”.
9 leagues, 5 FA Cups & a European trophy. How dare we look for more of the same when only 4 have done it better. #EFC #UTF"
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Barry Rathbone
Player Valuation: £2.5m
I think pre the Premiership the point stands and I include the Leeds title as a carry over from those days other than that only Leicester are the exception to the monied rule. I suspect journos don't believe we have the requisite money
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Everton either get pats off the head by the media or snarling patronising attacks. If it’s the former it means we’re fitting into the box they want us to be in. ‘Moyes/Howe/Ferguson sensible appointment for Everton as they understand Everton way and will have fans behind them at home again’. If it’s the latter it means we’re upsetting their precious apple cart ‘Everton will not attract a coach of Ancelloti’s calibre’ ‘talk of challenging the top 6 a complete pipe dream’ etc.
We all know that 4 of the top 6 are in complete disarray and it only takes a managerial change to send the other two in the same direction. If a world class manager can get us moving in the right direction and we combine it with good signings there’s no impediment to us getting to the top. All the media know it as well which is why they don’t like this appointment. If we’d got Pereira in or Howe they wouldn’t have a problem with us. Ancelotti tells them that:
A) Despite many repeated failures Moshiri is not giving up
B) Despite a lot of money wasted we have obviously made the type of promises that would attract Ancelotti
C) One part of the puzzle to success is now in place with a world class manager. They fear us getting the rest.
I know we are pessimists in the extreme on here but we are moving towards seeing Everton in a world class new stadium managed by a world class manager with one of the most sought after Directors of football assisting him. If we can sort out the injuries which have dogged us and add some quality players in key positions we won’t be far away. We’re probably the ones that don’t believe it the most but the reason the pundits, other fans, and the media continue to be annoyed by us despite us languishing at the bottom of the table is because they know sooner or later if we keep hiring managers of the calibre of Ancelotti and keep backing them in the transfer windows we will get it right and for most of them that’s just completely unpalatable.
We all know that 4 of the top 6 are in complete disarray and it only takes a managerial change to send the other two in the same direction. If a world class manager can get us moving in the right direction and we combine it with good signings there’s no impediment to us getting to the top. All the media know it as well which is why they don’t like this appointment. If we’d got Pereira in or Howe they wouldn’t have a problem with us. Ancelotti tells them that:
A) Despite many repeated failures Moshiri is not giving up
B) Despite a lot of money wasted we have obviously made the type of promises that would attract Ancelotti
C) One part of the puzzle to success is now in place with a world class manager. They fear us getting the rest.
I know we are pessimists in the extreme on here but we are moving towards seeing Everton in a world class new stadium managed by a world class manager with one of the most sought after Directors of football assisting him. If we can sort out the injuries which have dogged us and add some quality players in key positions we won’t be far away. We’re probably the ones that don’t believe it the most but the reason the pundits, other fans, and the media continue to be annoyed by us despite us languishing at the bottom of the table is because they know sooner or later if we keep hiring managers of the calibre of Ancelotti and keep backing them in the transfer windows we will get it right and for most of them that’s just completely unpalatable.
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