The 1963 team was undoubtedly very good, but the 1970 one was probably even better. I’m pretty sure Catterick built that side as it wasn’t the one he inherited?
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The 1963 team morphed into the 1970 team quite seamlessly over seven pretty good years.
We played in two Cup Finals, winning one of them, reached at least one other semi final in 1969 whilst maintaining a high league position and qualifying for what is now the Europa League in the days when even finishing 4th would not get you in it.
Harry was never at any stage during the 1960s in any danger of losing his job.
So it wasn’t a question of the club being patient with him and “giving him time”.
He hit the ground running in April 1961and we never stopped improving until one fateful week in April 1971
Deulofeumygod
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His new chant is quality.
Keeps getting blasted around the house
Keeps getting blasted around the house
Gwladysstreetlad
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brieverton
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It all looks quite positive so far. I hope we have a strong finish to the season, the lack of outside focus on us may prove to be a help in that regard.
I'm sceptical, but hopeful, that Ancelotti will stay here for the full length of his contract, at a minimum. It's a plus that this is roughly on a par with the timeline for Bramley Moore as well. Despite his stunning record, I think leading a rejuvenated Everton into a new stadium would still represent a big motivation for him, provided we can get things right between now and then.
I don't really understand at all why so many questioned his motivation to come here, at this stage in his career, and on the back of a glittering record. I could understand it if he was 10 years younger, but having done everything, I think we are tailor-made for him and him for us. If he can restore us competitively and put a foundation in place for that to be maintained, then after 30 years of failure, in my book it would be as good as anything he has done to date and mark a very fitting conclusion to such a spectacular career.
The nature of the recruitment made in the summer will tell us a lot about whether he is happy to take a measured step-by-step approach or wants to try to progress things forward more quickly. In the long-term we need sustainability and stability and I really hope that is recognised by Ancelotti as well. The apparent fact that he did not at all appear concerned by the lack of activity in January to me is a very encouraging sign and a mark of someone taking the advantage of all of the time afforded to have a long hard look at the club and squad, in significant detail.
In the early days of his time at PSG I recall in his book him saying that the methods, practices, and ways of thinking at PSG were well behind the elite and his job and that of his staff was to "make this club a big club". He has a much tougher task here but the principles are exactly the same. I think he will already have seen almost everything he needs to, to know what is wrong at Everton, and what's required to bridge the gap. Transfers are a key part of the solution but the much bigger job is in making more subtle changes, altering attitudes and approaches, both with current and new players, coaching staff, and even transmitting that to Brands and the board.
We have the right man here, it will be exciting to let him get on with the job.
catcherintherye
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Good post Bri.
I agree with all of that really.
I too have been thinking about what has motivated Carlo Ancelotti, and perhaps what has motivated Carlo Ancelotti now and not 2 years ago? They are worthwhile questions.
The PSG job is probably the most similar job to here in terms of European standing when he first arrived (he was the new owners first appointment). They spent heavily in the 2 winter windows and 1 summer window. If you compare to spending in the PL in 2012 he spent the equivalent of about £450m across that time period. A very substantial investment across the space of a year and one that really kickstarted PSG's charge up the league. So potentially money may have been one motivator.
It doesn't look as if a similar approach will be adopted here on that scale (there are a multitude of reasons, but essentially the money required to do it with the inflation is much higher and FFP is now much tighter so it becomes harder). In such a scenario the likes of Koulibaly were a real possibility.
It looks to me, at least from January that there is a broader plan on recruitment, controlled by Brands that will be maintained. I don't see that as an automatically bad thing (though of course the excitement of the scale of investment outlined above would have been incredible). Under Brands while recruitment hasn't been faultless (it never is) it has been consistent and we have moved forward in a more measured way.
You have to consider with Ancelotti, that perhaps such a project has enticed him. I know he has only been at most of the clubs a short space of time, but I do wonder if this is as much a reflection of the ruthlessness at the top of the game, than a comment on him. PSG, Chelsea and Real Madrid routinely change managers. The expectations of clubs like this, and throw in Bayern too is markedly different to Everton. Barring probably a 3 year period in the 80's and a couple of years in the 60's we really haven't been at that pinnacle they existed in while Ancelotti was at each club. Whether good or bad, the ruthlessness just isn't there.
He's done things, that surprised me a little. The promoting of multiple young players to first team training, some as young as 16 surprised me, as has his ease at introducing Antony Gordon. In spite of his record it appears he would quite like a longer project. Maybe he hoped he would get that at Napoli but it was proven badly wrong. He will get that here though, he will get time, good financial support (even if not game changing) and enormous broad support from the club who are grateful to have him.
As a final aside I do wonder in the weeks he knew he was leaving Napoli if he didn't caste an eye over Everton, particularly the performances under Ferguson and perhaps wonder if there was a much bigger potential than was being shown. Thus far it's the same squad that started the season (minus the likes of Tosuon leaving) yet we have doubled out points total post Silva. It's a marked change, perhaps the most striking we've had since 1994. It's hard to avoid the conclusion that the manager was a central problem in this.
While I don't think this is a 2 points per game (or 1.9 post Silva) I think it's a lot nearer to that mark than the less than 1 point per game it was performing too under Silva. For Ancelotti there is an easy "quick win" here.As it happens I think it's a similar perspective that's been adopted by Benitez when he wanted the job. The squad was underperforming and you could quite quickly get the squad to the point where it was at a top 6 level, with the opportunity of further funds available being spent in a controlled manner.
This is really the crunch point for Ancelotti though. If you look at Koeman and Allardyce it was around this point that things started to come apart. For Silva it probably took a few games more. So we probably need to look to the next set of 6-7 games. While 14 points is unrealistic, I'm hoping we can consolidate at around 10 points and we will then have avoided throwing away the early momentum. 11 points from the next 7 have us on 44 points with 7 to play. Given the run in I think the top 5 will be in play big time if we can position ourselves there.
everton1953
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So Moshiri said we are a difficult fan base did he? I would put it another way, The Everton fan base has had a difficult time for a good number of years, losing our status as one of the top clubs. It has indeed been difficult and still is. Hopefully the new manager will be the one who restores most if not all of our self esteem, lost over a very difficult period, made worse in recent years by frequent or wrong appointments of new managers.
We are a difficult fanbase, sometimes Goodison is toxic for our own players and reading this thread, some people are toxic to the best manager we could have ever hoped to appoint. Yes, less than 2 months in charge and people are posting thinly veiled barbs at him.
For Pete's sake, give the man a chance.
For Pete's sake, give the man a chance.
Yeah we aint ever appointing a manager better than Ancelotti.
Pep and Plopp are the best 2 managers in the world atm and neither of them are joining us anytime soon.
Good thing about Ancelotti is that he doesn't have an inferiority complex against these managers. They are his peers, he is equal to them.
We need that to rub off on the players, the youth players coming through and just as importantly, all of us as fans.
The fella is dynamite, just in a completely different way than Pep and Gnashers.
Toxic is poison, stuff that infects the body and eventually kills it. There are people on here just like that, start as a bit of a moan and increase to full on venomous attack. Inoculate yourself and put them on ignore.
A couple of them German lads are doing OK in Germany
That Hasselhutti (sp) at Southampton and Nuno at Wolves are doing bits
Nuno is just Silva with a beard.
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