2019/20 Carlo Ancelotti

[Toffe3m4n]

@caliblue really throwing shade at Ancelotti after 20 games with a Frankenstein's monster of a squad lol jesus wept.

 

[hktoffee]

A world class manager knows how to get the most out of the players he has available. At this Carlo has failed miserably.

The last few months have been one long Guiness world record attempt. How to fit most square pegs into round holes.

Sigurdsson is a good example. I don't rate him and dont think who should be a starter for Everton, but when used correctly he is a decent footballer. Well above average PL standard. Sigurdsson is a player that has thrived and made a name for himself playing 4-4-2 with the national team. Mostly as a (second) striker which probably is his best position. He does not have the creativity expected from a 10, but he knows how to position himself in and around the box. And he is a decent goal scorer.

Everton hire Carlo and he says to Sigurdsson that he sees him as a number 6. WTF? He is not a ball winner, he does not tackle, he has no pace and is very limited on the ball. And you want him as your 6? 60 yards from the opponents goal?

Sigurdsson was never going to do well as a 6. But the real problem is that with such a limited player in a two man midfield, it is impossible for his partner to shine. Maybe Davies or Gomes could be half decent with the right midfield partner, but next to Sigurdsson it is impossible for them to shine.

I don't think it is fair that the players get all the hate when the manager obviously picks the wrong formation and wrong team. Over and over again. Three and four players out of position.

If Carlos plan is to play 4-4-2 next season and he picked the team he did to show the board that he needs new players, I get it. I don't like it, but I get it. If Carlo picked the teams and formation he did because that maximised Everton's chances to get a result, he is nowhere near world class i 2020.

I hope Carlo turns things around. That he gets the support he needs. But a lot more than the squad needs to improve or Carlo will be gone by christmas.

So you are telling us a world class manager can just come in and get CL or something similar with this poll of players, which made up by the previous 5 permanent managers. Honestly, who can do this certainly not somebody like Martínez or Silva.

This isn’t CM...if this is as easy as you made out then everyone can be a football manager.

Sigurdsson. We have Gbamin, Delph and Gomes out for most season, please enlighten us what else can Carlo do? Carlo plays 4-4-2 because under the resources he got that would be the most effective formation. It doesn’t matter what formation a manager plays. We played 4-2-3-1, 3-5-2 etc under the previous managers that ain’t working either.

So you are having a go at Carlo because Chelsea who are 4th in your table, get 4 more points out of last 20 games. Give us a name who do you believe he can do a better job than Carlo, with this squad?

 

[nsno-chris]

YES, YES.... it’s happening

we’re finally turning on one of the greatest managers of a lifetime

oh GOT, you never disappoint

 

[hktoffee]

I mean do you even get football and how it works?
a manager, no matter how good he is or his CV can’t make CRAP players superstars or even good ffs. He’s done good to get the points alone with what he’s got, Back him and let him get some windows in and his OWN PLAYERS. And we will be much more better.

Exactly. How on earth the lad has a go at Carlo after 20 games, with this squad. We must back Carlo through thick and thin.

 

[orly]

A world class manager knows how to get the most out of the players he has available. At this Carlo has failed miserably.

The last few months have been one long Guiness world record attempt. How to fit most square pegs into round holes.

Sigurdsson is a good example. I don't rate him and dont think who should be a starter for Everton, but when used correctly he is a decent footballer. Well above average PL standard. Sigurdsson is a player that has thrived and made a name for himself playing 4-4-2 with the national team. Mostly as a (second) striker which probably is his best position. He does not have the creativity expected from a 10, but he knows how to position himself in and around the box. And he is a decent goal scorer.

Everton hire Carlo and he says to Sigurdsson that he sees him as a number 6. WTF? He is not a ball winner, he does not tackle, he has no pace and is very limited on the ball. And you want him as your 6? 60 yards from the opponents goal?

Sigurdsson was never going to do well as a 6. But the real problem is that with such a limited player in a two man midfield, it is impossible for his partner to shine. Maybe Davies or Gomes could be half decent with the right midfield partner, but next to Sigurdsson it is impossible for them to shine.

I don't think it is fair that the players get all the hate when the manager obviously picks the wrong formation and wrong team. Over and over again. Three and four players out of position.

If Carlos plan is to play 4-4-2 next season and he picked the team he did to show the board that he needs new players, I get it. I don't like it, but I get it. If Carlo picked the teams and formation he did because that maximised Everton's chances to get a result, he is nowhere near world class i 2020.

I hope Carlo turns things around. That he gets the support he needs. But a lot more than the squad needs to improve or Carlo will be gone by christmas.

I think this is absolutely spot on. 30 points from 20 games is a mirage - it's actually a very poor return on his £11m a year salary. And there are good players in that squad, certainly better than those available to Burnley.

We were hammered at home to Bournemouth in his 20th game. Progress.

 

[hktoffee]

Why are you moving the goalposts?

Anonymous um no orly actually, are you bored do you have other thing worthwhile to do?

 

[mill]

I think this is absolutely spot on. 30 points from 20 games is a mirage - it's actually a very poor return on his £11m a year salary. And there are good players in that squad, certainly better than those available to Burnley.

We were hammered at home to Bournemouth in his 20th game. Progress.

You are using the Bournemouth game as an example?

Some people just don’t understand football. At all.

 

[hktoffee]

You are using the Bournemouth game as an example?

Some people just don’t understand football. At all.

He does not understand anything let alone football.

 

[orly]

Anonymous um no orly actually, are you bored do you have other thing worthwhile to do?

It's a genuine question.

You said "30 points in 20 games is 5th-7th" and @caliblue pulled your pants down over it, because it is fake news. You are saying "stick with Ancelotti through thick and thin" - would you like us to bump your Martinez / Silva / Koeman posts?

 

[MikeH72]

I have to say we’re very, very weird as a fanbase. Knocking football on the head, me.

 

[orly]

You are using the Bournemouth game as an example?

Some people just don’t understand football. At all.

It makes perfect sense actually. One thing people misunderstand about the truly great players (and managers) is not that they can perform in the high-stakes games, but that they can deliver at a relentless quality level in every game, every week. That's why City are so good.

Whereas Ancelotti's Goodbye World Tour 2020 is only putting in strong performances in front of sell-out crowds. For the quiet little gig in front of a few dozen faithful, the band is just going through the motions. Might as well just put Spotify on.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

It makes perfect sense actually. One thing people misunderstand about the truly great players (and managers) is not that they can perform in the high-stakes games, but that they can deliver at a relentless quality level in every game, every week. That's why City are so good.

Whereas Ancelotti's Goodbye World Tour 2020 is only putting in strong performances in front of sell-out crowds. For than quiet little gig in front of a few dozen faithful, the band is just going through the motions. Might as well just put Spotify on.

What's your solution?

 

[caliblue]

And we're back with our recurring segment "I know more about football tactics than Carlo Ancelotti!"

Haha. I don't. Trust me.

But I have eyes. I have seen Sigurdsson play the worst football of his career as a 6 under Carlo. And I did see how Sigurdsson had his by far best performance under Carlo away against Sheffield United when Carlo for the first time played him as a 10.

I can see that Bernard have not had a single good game in 4-4-2. I can see how poor Gomes and Davies are next to Sigurdsson compared to when they played with Gueye. I can see that Iwobi is 10 times as good on the left as he is on the right. I did see how good Iwobi was second half against Norwich when he was told to cut inside. And I did see that he was asked to stay wide again the next match.

I have seen how every single midfield in the league have been able to outnumber and overrun the Everton midfield 2. I did see Crystal Palace controlling the game at 1-1 on Goodison. Everton should never have to rely on counter attacking at home against Palace. Never.

That said. I have seen improvements. When balanced and well organized with two blocks of four, it has been a lot harder to break through Everton than you should expect. Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin have benefitted from having a partner on top. And who knew. After three years Michael Keane finally looks like the defender we got from Burnley. All we needed to do was to play like Burnley.

 

[MikeH72]

Haha. I don't. Trust me.

But I have eyes. I have seen Sigurdsson play the worst football of his career as a 6 under Carlo. And I did see how Sigurdsson had his by far best performance under Carlo away against Sheffield United when Carlo for the first time played him as a 10.

I can see that Bernard have not had a single good game in 4-4-2. I can see how poor Gomes and Davies are next to Sigurdsson compared to when they played with Gueye. I can see that Iwobi is 10 times as good on the left as he is on the right. I did see how good Iwobi was second half against Norwich when he was told to cut inside. And I did see that he was asked to stay wide again the next match.

I have seen how every single midfield in the league have been able to outnumber and overrun the Everton midfield 2. I did see Crystal Palace controlling the game at 1-1 on Goodison. Everton should never have to rely on counter attacking at home against Palace. Never.

That said. I have seen improvements. When balanced and well organized with two blocks of four, it has been a lot harder to break through Everton than you should expect. Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin have benefitted from having a partner on top. And who knew. After three years Michael Keane finally looks like the defender we got from Burnley. All we needed to do was to play like Burnley.

Sigurdsson has played as a number 10 for 75% of his Everton career and been absolutely hoop, including in the most recent game. He’s not a good player in any position, doesn’t matter where the manager puts him.

 

[orly]

Haha. I don't. Trust me.

But I have eyes. I have seen Sigurdsson play the worst football of his career as a 6 under Carlo. And I did see how Sigurdsson had his by far best performance under Carlo away against Sheffield United when Carlo for the first time played him as a 10.

I can see that Bernard have not had a single good game in 4-4-2. I can see how poor Gomes and Davies are next to Sigurdsson compared to when they played with Gueye. I can see that Iwobi is 10 times as good on the left as he is on the right. I did see how good Iwobi was second half against Norwich when he was told to cut inside. And I did see that he was asked to stay wide again the next match.

I have seen how every single midfield in the league have been able to outnumber and overrun the Everton midfield 2. I did see Crystal Palace controlling the game at 1-1 on Goodison. Everton should never have to rely on counter attacking at home against Palace. Never.

That said. I have seen improvements. When balanced and well organized with two blocks of four, it has been a lot harder to break through Everton than you should expect. Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin have benefitted from having a partner on top. And who knew. After three years Michael Keane finally looks like the defender we got from Burnley. All we needed to do was to play like Burnley.

The Southampton game was worse. Apart from their horrendous finishing, they totally controlled the game and played a much superior brand of football.