2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

[Prevenger17]

I guess this is you calling me a Kopite which lol

It's just you have rattled on about how lucky we've been for the last 6 months

I don't think he necessarily means playing defensively as much as he means playing poorly and hoping we get lucky. What we're doing is way too much of that to expect it to last forever.

Yes I think at that point we were the luckiest team in the league so I wasn't exactly expecting us to keep being lucky.

Nah, football is a crazy sport, you can just get really lucky. We can genuinely be a midtable side that has had enough luck to make Europe. Which if we make Europe, and if you haven't checked we currently aren't, would be exactly how I'd describe it.

They've had more consistent performances. We've had the lucky run the last few weeks that they've yet to have.

And how lucky City were to beat PSG 4-1

It's 1-0 PSG, City have been completely contained and are just passing it around going nowhere for 20+ minutes, and then a poor cross ends up in the net followed by a poor free kick ending up in the net and they are able to now control the game despite not actually really doing anything to get there.

And I know people will come in with the "they put them under pressure" or whatever and sure if you believe that causes a GK and a wall to commit egregious errors that's fine, I don't subscribe to that theory.

Or how lucky City were to beat Dortmund

2-1 is definitely better for Dortmund that 1-0.
There's also still the part where they scored a goal and the ref decided nah. City lucky here.

Or even how lucky Leicester were to win an entire league

Leicester got lucky in 2016

But when it's the RS, it's either a down to a complete mastercalss or just plain bad luck if they don't win

It's not a hopefully thing. City and Liverpool don't win because of luck as much as we want to say the RS do. They win because they consistently create chances to shoot from very close to the goal and make it very difficult for the opponents to do so. It isn't a hard concept but doing it is incredibly difficult.

Madrid were lucky in the RS final unless of course you think Karius literally throwing two goals in was caused by "pressure" or something. It happens all the time, it was City's turn, and I just don't like how instead we've got people saying this was one of the greatest European performances. And that isn't a strawman, it was said last week.

Maybe we were a tad lucky to draw the RS but other than that we earned our points with top performances. To me that is less true since the start of December.

Allied to your frankly bizarre love of Thiago and his 0 goals and 0 assists (he's been unlucky, I guess) and I would say yes, alarm bells are ringing.

 

[TheBigIguana]

It's just you have rattled on about how lucky we've been for the last 6 months








And how lucky City were to beat PSG 4-1




Or how lucky City were to beat Dortmund




Or even how lucky Leicester were to win an entire league




But when it's the RS, it's either a down to a complete mastercalss or just plain bad luck if they don't win






Allied to your frankly bizarre love of Thiago and his 0 goals and 0 assists (he's been unlucky, I guess) and I would say yes, alarm bells are ringing.

I posted that Thiago isn't terrible because of that 0 and 0 since it isn't what they're asking him to do and now I love him. Wonderful stuff.

I think a lot of crazy stuff happens in football. Complete randomness goes a long way in determining all sorts of things and people instead love to act like it is all earned. I mean yesterday was like the 4th or 5th time this season that a teams had a shot hit the post when we were ahead by a goal and we've gone on to win pretty much all of them. Did we earn that?

I can't help you if you aren't willing to admit to that being a part of the game. Quite frankly the whole thing is inconsistent because you're trying to paint me as hating on City when one of the posts has me talking about how City are one of the best teams in the world. But was it a tad fortunate when Bellingham scored a legitimate goal and the referee called it off for a phantom foul? Yeah, it was. That's football.

We're a midtable side that caught more breaks than the other midtable sides so we might make Europe because of it. I have no problem with saying this because I believe it. If you all think we're playing top 6 football most weeks you can have that opinion. We'll have an answer on that soon and we of course we'll have another answer to it with Carlo next season.

 

[Prevenger17]

I posted that Thiago isn't terrible because of that 0 and 0 since it isn't what they're asking him to do and now I love him. Wonderful stuff.

I think a lot of crazy stuff happens in football. Complete randomness goes a long way in determining all sorts of things and people instead love to act like it is all earned. I mean yesterday was like the 4th or 5th time this season that a teams had a shot hit the post when we were ahead by a goal and we've gone on to win pretty much all of them. Did we earn that?

I can't help you if you aren't willing to admit to that being a part of the game. Quite frankly the whole thing is inconsistent because you're trying to paint me as hating on City when one of the posts has me talking about how City are one of the best teams in the world. But was it a tad fortunate when Bellingham scored a legitimate goal and the referee called it off for a phantom foul? Yeah, it was. That's football.

We're a midtable side that caught more breaks than the other midtable sides so we might make Europe because of it. I have no problem with saying this because I believe it. If you all think we're playing top 6 football most weeks you can have that opinion. We'll have an answer on that soon and we of course we'll have another answer to it with Carlo next season.

Oh yeah sorry, I forgot that you were the first person to hypothesise that luck plays a part in sport. Apologies mate. Just so I have this straight;

• They hit the post: we were lucky
• We hit the post: we were lucky it didn't go wide.
• We reduce them to that single chance over 90 minutes: they were unlucky
• City win: lucky
• Leicester win a league over the entire season: lucky
• RS lose or draw: unlucky
• Thiago 0 goals 0 assists: a good player being asked to play deep
• Sigurdsson 6 goals and 4 assists: Fraud

I think I'm getting the hang of this

 

[Mrk]

It's just you have rattled on about how lucky we've been for the last 6 months

And how lucky City were to beat PSG 4-1

Or how lucky City were to beat Dortmund

Or even how lucky Leicester were to win an entire league

But when it's the RS, it's either a down to a complete mastercalss or just plain bad luck if they don't win

Allied to your frankly bizarre love of Thiago and his 0 goals and 0 assists (he's been unlucky, I guess) and I would say yes, alarm bells are ringing.

Mate this is amazing detective work. MI6 would be lucky to have you.

 

[Bungle]

I posted that Thiago isn't terrible because of that 0 and 0 since it isn't what they're asking him to do and now I love him. Wonderful stuff.

I think a lot of crazy stuff happens in football. Complete randomness goes a long way in determining all sorts of things and people instead love to act like it is all earned. I mean yesterday was like the 4th or 5th time this season that a teams had a shot hit the post when we were ahead by a goal and we've gone on to win pretty much all of them. Did we earn that?

I can't help you if you aren't willing to admit to that being a part of the game. Quite frankly the whole thing is inconsistent because you're trying to paint me as hating on City when one of the posts has me talking about how City are one of the best teams in the world. But was it a tad fortunate when Bellingham scored a legitimate goal and the referee called it off for a phantom foul? Yeah, it was. That's football.

We're a midtable side that caught more breaks than the other midtable sides so we might make Europe because of it. I have no problem with saying this because I believe it. If you all think we're playing top 6 football most weeks you can have that opinion. We'll have an answer on that soon and we of course we'll have another answer to it with Carlo next season.

Put your head in a blender you massive bellend

 

[Death]

A new king.

 

[Mkjjones]

Are we still sacking him on this thread?

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

Are we still sacking him on this thread?

Yes...yes we are.

 

[Steve Wigan]

Because James does things like pass the ball forward and has an impact from open play. Gylfi may be available every week but he's rarely impactful and even less impactful when you look at open play.

Gylfi has been excellent tactically for most of the season. His play off the ball ,which is an important part of his role, has been very good. James thrives when Siggy is playing, and so do others. This is why Carlo keeps picking him. We have scored more goals from corners than any other team. Guess who takes a large number of our corners.

 

[COYBL25]

Are we still sacking him on this thread?

Big Oil holding the fort for the bellends.

 

[Gilbert..]

Are we still sacking him on this thread?

West ham hit the post yesterday. He deserves to be sacked just for that.

 

[Jimishorts]

Put your head in a blender you massive bellend

 

[Terrarian]

Uh oh Big Ig in the firing line, he doesn't understand the togger lids, educate not eradicate lol

 

[John from Bootle]

This is my point.

People go 'it's all the players', then name players who have just helped us win 11 away games (and lose a load of home games like).

Then they say the recruitment has been crap, but say Brands is doing a bang up job.

Then they say Carlo can't improve or shouldn't be expected to improve players, but as we've seen, he kind of has done.

He's an 7/10 for me on the 'progress' we've made. But we may well still get Europe and that'll be an 8/10. It's a weird season with loads of caveats that I fully accept. I'm just in no way shocked that we won today, but in equal measure I'll be in no way surprised if we lose to Sheff Utd.

But people say it's the players in context.

Are our players all really terrible? Not particularly. That's why we're eighth in the league, and that's why we got to two quarter finals. We're a decent side, but a side that's not good enough to push for the top four. CONTEXT.

There's no balance to the squad. We're achieving about all that can be expected, imo. I certainly didn't expect us to get the twenty+ wins that you need to get into the Champions League at the beginning of the season. Did you? If your answer is no, then you expected us to drop points in at least half of our games. The small details of who the results were against are not that relevant. That's just down to the vagaries of football. We're clearly better playing away from home at the moment.

Of course Carlo can improve players. Just because he can improve some players doesn't mean he can improve every player. Also, 'improvement' is often just down to perception. Michael Keane, for instance, has improved under Carlo, but he's not suddenly developed attributes he didn't previously have, he's just played with more confidence and with instructions from a better manager.

You can't expect a manager to improve DCL and Gylfi in equal measures. No manager is ever gonna make Tom Davies the pacy powerhouse we require, He can make him perform better, but that's not always enough.

 

[messymascot]

I think our goal difference is an indicator that we are slightly over achieving this season. That is down to Ancelotti tactical skills. We are probably about 6th or 7th if all teams could field their best 11. However where we fall down is the strength in depth. 2 of the first 11 missing we can just about cope, anymore and we just seem to fall apart. Hopefully we get a bit more depth next season and a couple of upgrades for the first 11 and we will see what he can really do.