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Only 2 decent and 1 potential player...Digne, Doucoure, Godfrey...and Bernard who is on mega wages, but I like him as a player.
toffee-boy
Player Valuation: £15m
its in the isco topic
John from Bootle
Player Valuation: £10m
And you say I'm being simplistic. The two seasons prior to him joining, we finished on 49 points and 54 points.
On the 5th of December last year, we'd just been beaten 5-2 by Liverpool, and were sat in 18th place with 14 points.
So don't try and make out like we've been primed and ready to launch an assault on the European places, because it's just not true.
I didn't make that out though did I? So yes, you're being simplistic again; you can't actually address the point sensibly so you make a straw man argument to completely misrepresent what's being said.
John from Bootle
Player Valuation: £10m
Bit precious aren't you? Time of the month or something?
I basically, or, err, simplistically, if you will, stated that the fact we've lost 3 games this season, is probably about what you'd expect from this squad. I feel that's a fair statement, so don't need to respond to all the other waffle.
You said, we finished 8th three seasons running and things weren't that bad. I pointed out that we finished on 54 and 49 points in the 2 seasons prior, and looked like a team heading for a relegation fight less than a year ago.
But whatever lad.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
This really. I’m confident he can break the trophy drought. He knows how to navigate latter stages of tournaments. I’d back him to lay a few traps in a final if we ended up against a Chelsea or an Arsenal that could see us get past them. Martinez was probably the last manager we had with that streakiness in him (the problem was he was so rubbish the rest of the time it wasn’t worth it for his one off cup games). Koeman, Silva, or Allardyce never have me that feeling that they could engineer a cup run.
What are you even on about now? I agree with you that losing 3 games at this point of the season isn't particularly surprising, i've never said otherwise? All i said was that the idea that the manager can't do anything to make the team better and any loss (and therefore win, you'd have to assume) is solely down to the players is a very simplistic way of looking at things. I'm also saying that I didn't make out what you said I was making out. I'm not sure it's particularly precious to do that is it? We started last season badly, there's no argument there. But we sacked the manager because everybody knew the team was much better than it was showing. The 18th position was not an accurate reflection of the club's quality when Silva was sacked, as was shown very quickly by the turnaround in results under both Ferguson and Ancelotti. I mean it's hardly rocket science.
I'm not criticising Ancelotti here, i'm just pointing out that I think anything lower than 7th this season would be a disappointment, and I'm a little bit perplexed as to why some people seem to suggest it will take 4 years to rectify the fact we had a bad 3 months.
N0L1M1TK
Player Valuation: £8m
Time and perspective. Let's give Carlo the time, and allow ourselves the perspective.
We can't hold him to his past successes and allow him all the time in the world and a free reign, equally we just like we cannot blame him for years and years of poor recruitment and general management of our wonderful football club. We have a mash of players from the past four managers still here,all bought for different systems and different roles, picking a team is like putting a jigsaw together of parts that just don't quite fit.
He seems like a quality fella, and I'm sure once he gets his players, we will be a better side.
Do I think we will win anything during his tenure here? I think there's a better chance than there has been for the last 20 years.
We can't hold him to his past successes and allow him all the time in the world and a free reign, equally we just like we cannot blame him for years and years of poor recruitment and general management of our wonderful football club. We have a mash of players from the past four managers still here,all bought for different systems and different roles, picking a team is like putting a jigsaw together of parts that just don't quite fit.
He seems like a quality fella, and I'm sure once he gets his players, we will be a better side.
Do I think we will win anything during his tenure here? I think there's a better chance than there has been for the last 20 years.
BlueStevie35
Player Valuation: £70m
What did Carlo do to you on a personal level, you really seem to have it in for him
We have a manager who knows how to win trophies and some good players in the squad. Some awful ones too. Takes time to rebuild.
We all need to chill and see how it goes. I’ve been bashing my head off the wall as much as the next fan but the players have been turning in these awful performances for a number of managers. A lot of them need booting and it takes time when they are on inflated contracts and nobody will match their wages.
GwladysBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
Why does every manager we have always need 3/4 years before we can judge? Other clubs don’t give their manager that long.
Football isn’t a game of ‘wait and see’. The expectation for him this season is to finish above no-marks like Wolves and Leicester to nab a European spot. We’re not even saying displace one of the ‘Sky 6’.
If he can’t get us 7th then he has failed.
Toffe3m4n
Player Valuation: £80m
I could be way off when I say this.. but he does give at least some air off that he can't really be bothered trying to 'polish the turd' that's representative of at least a small handful of the current senior squad.
If you'd allow me to use a technology term - it's as if he's identified the squad as still being in a 'beta' stage, hell maybe even alpha. But to be honest it's not like he hasn't being trying to temper short-term expectations on the regular either way, he knows we're still a (very) limited side..
If you'd allow me to use a technology term - it's as if he's identified the squad as still being in a 'beta' stage, hell maybe even alpha. But to be honest it's not like he hasn't being trying to temper short-term expectations on the regular either way, he knows we're still a (very) limited side..
I remember we were 3-2 up on aggregate in a semi final against City with 20 minutes left and he took Deulofeu off for Arouna Kone.
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