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I’d agree. I’m sure privately he has spoken with Brands and Moshiri about players he wants to move on from the current shower. Up to Brands to sell them and make room for better quality arrivals.
Toffe3m4n
Player Valuation: £80m
He knows we'll give him the time and that can only be viewed as a good thing. The club have needed stability for ages and we finally have a manager with a track record that they AND the fans can all get behind and back over the full term of the contract he was given.
I think, as others have said, the big picture view here needs to be that a bit more patience & time is required (which I appreciate is difficult for a lot of us given how long the club have disappointed us for).
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
in fairness we conceded a goal in that semi from a ball that was a foot out of play. That said, you won’t find me praising Martinez for much.
BlueStevie35
Player Valuation: £70m
Remember we were 3-2 on aggregate in a European tie and instead of killing the game off his tactics allowed Kiev to shoot on site and give us a hiding?
Egil Olsen
Player Valuation: £8m
In the last ten seasons in the PL, we have only been outside the top 10 three times, and with an average point during this period of 56. I think both the board and Ancelotti expect better results than that. Ancelotti has even stated that he has ambitions for the top four this season. Something that at the moment appears unrealistic. But Ancelotti knows very well that the club expects results in terms of the investments they have made and the salary he receives. Here, the fans admittedly have a little less ambition, and are just happy Ancelotti is the coach.
But the point is, should we end up in 8th place or worse - no success in the cup - then Ancelotti knows that the board will most likely start to lose patience. Because the club also knows that they have taken a big chance in hiring Ancelotti. They are aware of all the objections to Ancelott. The club wanted quick success, and therefore they hired Ancelotti. If they thought long-term, then they would hire a younger coach with a clear philosophy. Then they had not brought in players like Allan and JR, and would instead get cheaper and younger players.
If they see early on that this is not going the right way, then they will of course limit the loss. Football is business. And that was what the owner of Napoli realized; he saw no reason why one of the best paid coaches in Serie A should lead the team to a position in the middle of the table.
Many compare Ancelotti's situation with Klopp's in Liverpool when he arrived. There are some differences here. LFC used data models to find the right coach, and also uses it to find the right players. Klopp has a history where he has built up clubs, and fought against big clubs with far more resources. His system is just an expression of this. But this system takes some time to implement and you need to have the right players with the right mindset.
Ancelotti is the counterpart to Klopp. He has almost always coached clubs with the biggest resources and the best players. He has become a specialist in this, and the way his teams play football is an expression of just that. He needs star players, who do not depend on a well-drilled system to succeed, and where players are given a lot of freedom. These players usually respond well to Ancelotti's philosophy, as he largely leaves them alone, and does not demand the mindset that Klopp, among others, demands of the players.
Anything other than the top 8(could also say top 6), or success in a cup, is a real disappointment. Even Ancelotti knows that. You do not buy players like JR and Allan to get in 10th place, or to build a team that will be competitive in 4 years. That's naive.
But the point is, should we end up in 8th place or worse - no success in the cup - then Ancelotti knows that the board will most likely start to lose patience. Because the club also knows that they have taken a big chance in hiring Ancelotti. They are aware of all the objections to Ancelott. The club wanted quick success, and therefore they hired Ancelotti. If they thought long-term, then they would hire a younger coach with a clear philosophy. Then they had not brought in players like Allan and JR, and would instead get cheaper and younger players.
If they see early on that this is not going the right way, then they will of course limit the loss. Football is business. And that was what the owner of Napoli realized; he saw no reason why one of the best paid coaches in Serie A should lead the team to a position in the middle of the table.
Many compare Ancelotti's situation with Klopp's in Liverpool when he arrived. There are some differences here. LFC used data models to find the right coach, and also uses it to find the right players. Klopp has a history where he has built up clubs, and fought against big clubs with far more resources. His system is just an expression of this. But this system takes some time to implement and you need to have the right players with the right mindset.
Ancelotti is the counterpart to Klopp. He has almost always coached clubs with the biggest resources and the best players. He has become a specialist in this, and the way his teams play football is an expression of just that. He needs star players, who do not depend on a well-drilled system to succeed, and where players are given a lot of freedom. These players usually respond well to Ancelotti's philosophy, as he largely leaves them alone, and does not demand the mindset that Klopp, among others, demands of the players.
Anything other than the top 8(could also say top 6), or success in a cup, is a real disappointment. Even Ancelotti knows that. You do not buy players like JR and Allan to get in 10th place, or to build a team that will be competitive in 4 years. That's naive.
Toffe3m4n
Player Valuation: £80m
Can't agree with a lot of this take to be honest. Feel it's a tad disingenuous to Ancelotti and plays down his managerial ability somewhat.
marcus
Player Valuation: £15m
GwladysBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
In 3/4 years Ancelotti will be retiring.
Sack him!
and then he would of made us, better and more attractive for the new manager with the new ground
Egil Olsen
Player Valuation: £8m
Ok, my points were:
1) Everton have been a fairly stable top 10 club in the PL for the last 10 years.
2) The owners have invested quite a lot of money in the club - both players and coaches.
3) The purchase of players like Allan and JR signals that the club wants success already this year.
4) Ancelotti has himself said he wants the club to fight for the top four place already this year.
5) Football is business - to a large extent. And owners expect to get something in return for their investments.
6) Ancelotti has been an incredibly successful coach for big and powerful clubs. Which has also shaped his philosophy. He is not known for being a coach who implements complex systems in the clubs.
7) He has generally been well-liked in all the clubs he has been to - except Juventus and Bayern.
8) He does not sit long if he does not deliver success to the club.
I don't actually agree that he'll be under pressure from above if we don't finish top 8 (I don't think we're that ruthless/have the pull as a club to justify it) but I agree with the principle of what you're saying. It's very obvious that Ancelotti was brought in to speed up the process, all this talk of consolidating and taking time is rubbish, that is quite clearly not the plan and nor should it be. There's no reason to believe we can't finish top 7 this year and maybe win a cup. If we do either of those things I'll be very happy and it will look like we're on the right track. Totally agree that 8th or lower is a failure though. Not a sackable failure, but a relative one.
Egil Olsen
Player Valuation: £8m
I do not think they will sack him, as long as the results are not completely miserable. But he will enter the next season with considerably lower trust from the owners. If the curve does not start to go up, then I'm sure they will sack him relatively quickly. That said, what I am reacting to is the attitude that this is a long-term project, and that Ancelotti has a completely hopeless project. I'm not arguing to sack Ancelotti, but I have expectations of success.
FFS we`ve lost three games and people are seriously talking about sacking one of the greatest club managers in world football.
Only at Everton.
Only at Everton.
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