2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

[malcson]

Do not argue for firing Ancelotti, but since you are asking. I would replace Brands with Ragnick, and give him all the authority to make the changes he thought were necessary.

"The playing style should be highly recognisable – so much so that, even on a bad day, you can still recognise the kind of football that the team wants to play.

By doing that, you create an identity across the whole club. Not only with the players, but also the coaching staff and even the fans".

The Three Cs - Coaches' Voice

Ralf Rangnick on the philosophy he used to build success at RB Leipzig and Red Bull Salzburg, and why he and Jürgen Klopp get on so well

www.coachesvoice.com

Of course, this is just fantasy, but your question was hypothetical.

You do realise Carlo has been here less than a year. Anyone thinking you can transform a team in that time from where we where to where we want to be just doesn’t understand how change works.

 

[Egil Olsen]

It’s very difficult arguing for managers who have only had success in lesser leagues. The key difference is that if you have a massive budgetary advantage in the bundesliga (like Leipzig started getting over all but two teams) then you can take a team from almost anywhere in the division and pretty soon you’ll be in the CL. In England you can throw billions at it but there’s 6 sides who will always have equal or greater resources and are locked in with regular European football. Rangnick’s roadmap for Leipzig and Salzburg probably included European football in the very near future. He could never make that guarantee in the prem.

Look at Brands even. Within a few seasons PSV can win the title in Holland (where let’s face it they have one at best two competitors) with a manager who wasn’t even good enough for Derby County.

If a billionaire took over a team like Firoentina, put any semi competent manager in place and kept backing them in transfer windows then within a season or two they’d be in Europe and then in the CL and not before long probably challenging Juve for the title like Napoli were. You can try the exact same thing in England and be fortunate to finish in the top ten.

It’s a completely different ball game trying to build success in the premier league than anywhere else.

Bayern Munich won Cl last season, and Leipzig were in the semi-finals. The best teams in the Bundesliga would be competitive in the PL. Of course, Leipzig have a massive economic advantage, but the point is that they have achieved results. Everton is one of the teams in the world that spends the most money, but gets the least out of it.

From the outside, it seems like a club with no direction, but a club that is based on trial and error. I had hopes for Brands, and agree with much of what he stands for, but with the hiring of Ancelotti and some of the players we have bought, that model no longer exists.

You say that in PL you can not invest massively in clubs, and be guaranteed success, and I agree. We are an example of that, but the problem is that we do not have a clear model. What are the characteristics of Everton? Under Moyes, we had at least an identity, and were a team that the opponents did not like to face. We just needed the money to take the next step. Now we have the money, but lack identity. Here, a guy like Ragnick could be of great use - one of the greatest football thinkers in the world today.

 

[Egil Olsen]

You do realise Carlo has been here less than a year. Anyone thinking you can transform a team in that time from where we where to where we want to be just doesn’t understand how change works.

Ok, what kind of identity is Ancelotti trying to implement? My criticism is not primarily directed at the results, but that we as a team lack identity. (and as a club).

 

[malcson]

Bayern Munich won Cl last season, and Leipzig were in the semi-finals. The best teams in the Bundesliga would be competitive in the PL. Of course, Leipzig have a massive economic advantage, but the point is that they have achieved results. Everton is one of the teams in the world that spends the most money, but gets the least out of it.

From the outside, it seems like a club with no direction, but a club that is based on trial and error. I had hopes for Brands, and agree with much of what he stands for, but with the hiring of Ancelotti and some of the players we have bought, that model no longer exists.

You say that in PL you can not invest massively in clubs, and be guaranteed success, and I agree. We are an example of that, but the problem is that we do not have a clear model. What are the characteristics of Everton? Under Moyes, we had at least an identity, and were a team that the opponents did not like to face. We just needed the money to take the next step. Now we have the money, but lack identity. Here, a guy like Ragnick could be of great use - one of the greatest football thinkers in the world today.

The difference being that maybe 6 teams from the entire Bundesliga would be competitive in the Premiership whereas at least 12 of teams in the Premiership are competitive every week. In other words the league is made up of stronger teams making it more difficult to rise to the top.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I'm not anti Carlo, in fact I think he's a brilliant manager and to be honest we're probably very lucky to have him, albeit we need to remember that we are paying him a salary in line with his status as a world class manager. Neither am I normally a negative person, especially when it comes to all things Everton. I always try and see the positives rather than the negatives.

But I can't ignore what I'm seeing from the manager lately, and also what I'm now hearing. I've already said my piece on his selection and decision making for the Newcastle and Leeds games so I'm not going to go over old ground. But I just heard him say in interview that he was happy with the performance against Leeds, if not the result. I'm sorry but that's the last thing I want to hear from him. It's almost Martinez like delusion. If he really can't see what the problem was against Leeds then we're in trouble.

Come on Carlo. You have to play a system that the players are comfortable with, and players that are comfortable with their position within that system. That also means playing specialists in their position irrespective of their age.

Despite losing 4 in 5 we're still in this and I'm convinced we have the players to mount a genuine challenge for a champions league place. We're only 5 points off top after 10 games and we'd have taken that at the start of the season.

 

[mightymoyes]

he better hope this delph decision works cos the square pegs in round holes approach is beginning to wear thin

 

[DOMNOLAN]

Yet another bizzare lineup... this is getting really irritating now

 

[Michaelcoyb]

He’s got oppositional defiance disorder has Carlo

 

[Michaelcoyb]

He’s so anti

 

[Barnfred 55]

I'm not anti Carlo, in fact I think he's a brilliant manager and to be honest we're probably very lucky to have him, albeit we need to remember that we are paying him a salary in line with his status as a world class manager. Neither am I normally a negative person, especially when it comes to all things Everton. I always try and see the positives rather than the negatives.

But I can't ignore what I'm seeing from the manager lately, and also what I'm now hearing. I've already said my piece on his selection and decision making for the Newcastle and Leeds games so I'm not going to go over old ground. But I just heard him say in interview that he was happy with the performance against Leeds, if not the result. I'm sorry but that's the last thing I want to hear from him. It's almost Martinez like delusion. If he really can't see what the problem was against Leeds then we're in trouble.

Come on Carlo. You have to play a system that the players are comfortable with, and players that are comfortable with their position within that system. That also means playing specialists in their position irrespective of their age.

Despite losing 4 in 5 we're still in this and I'm convinced we have the players to mount a genuine challenge for a champions league place. We're only 5 points off top after 10 games and we'd have taken that at the start of the season.

Just seen the line up and the subs bench. It's as I feared when I heard yesterdays comments.

Hopefully he's right and I'm wrong.

I'm now seriously beginning to think he has an issue with young players. No Gordon or Niels in the squad again.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Yet another bizzare lineup... this is getting really irritating now

Better win because he’s pissing everyone off on a weekly basis now.

These bizarre line-ups are only acceptable if they bring the wins.

We’re on the second worst run of form in the league and it is down to Carlo and his team selections.

 

[sageyefc]

His treatment of Gordon and now Niels has been poor as have his tactics ever since the derby

 

[Egil Olsen]

The difference being that maybe 6 teams from the entire Bundesliga would be competitive in the Premiership whereas at least 12 of teams in the Premiership are competitive every week. In other words the league is made up of stronger teams making it more difficult to rise to the top.

Yes, but which teams has Ancelotti been successful with?

 

[HumbleWedbetters]

I'm not anti Carlo, in fact I think he's a brilliant manager and to be honest we're probably very lucky to have him, albeit we need to remember that we are paying him a salary in line with his status as a world class manager. Neither am I normally a negative person, especially when it comes to all things Everton. I always try and see the positives rather than the negatives.

But I can't ignore what I'm seeing from the manager lately, and also what I'm now hearing. I've already said my piece on his selection and decision making for the Newcastle and Leeds games so I'm not going to go over old ground. But I just heard him say in interview that he was happy with the performance against Leeds, if not the result. I'm sorry but that's the last thing I want to hear from him. It's almost Martinez like delusion. If he really can't see what the problem was against Leeds then we're in trouble.

Come on Carlo. You have to play a system that the players are comfortable with, and players that are comfortable with their position within that system. That also means playing specialists in their position irrespective of their age.

Despite losing 4 in 5 we're still in this and I'm convinced we have the players to mount a genuine challenge for a champions league place. We're only 5 points off top after 10 games and we'd have taken that at the start of the season.

My thoughts exactly. Very pleased to have got him and the start of the season has had me ridiculously optimistic but there is some things that I can't understand:-

Siggurdson/Gomes...... Should be nowhere near the side of squad for that matter.

Recent formation and tactics.... I understand that we have no backup at full back but the choices have been weird. Nkoukou and Gordon should be given chances.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Bayern Munich won Cl last season, and Leipzig were in the semi-finals. The best teams in the Bundesliga would be competitive in the PL. Of course, Leipzig have a massive economic advantage, but the point is that they have achieved results. Everton is one of the teams in the world that spends the most money, but gets the least out of it.

From the outside, it seems like a club with no direction, but a club that is based on trial and error. I had hopes for Brands, and agree with much of what he stands for, but with the hiring of Ancelotti and some of the players we have bought, that model no longer exists.

You say that in PL you can not invest massively in clubs, and be guaranteed success, and I agree. We are an example of that, but the problem is that we do not have a clear model. What are the characteristics of Everton? Under Moyes, we had at least an identity, and were a team that the opponents did not like to face. We just needed the money to take the next step. Now we have the money, but lack identity. Here, a guy like Ragnick could be of great use - one of the greatest football thinkers in the world today.

You’re making my point for me here. I’m not saying German sides aren’t good, the top ones are, but before Klopp went to Dortmund you had one big team in Germany in Bayern. Klopp put some good form together and Dortmund started regularly qualifying for the CL also. They had 4 spots though so no other team was tying those down consistently. That means a Leipzig can come along and within a few years of investment has a clear run at the top 4 and not only can make it but once there can outspend all its competitions for it so can stay there year after year.

Take Spurs for example, Pochettino did a brilliant job ousting Liverpool, United, and Chelsea at one time or another from the top 4. What did they do? Just threw billions at the worlds top managers until we now find Spurs outside the CL this season again, and those teams inside it. Even if by some miracle we made it into the CL, prospective targets can’t hang their hat on us being in it again the season after. Leipzig can now tell any young player in Germany that they’re pretty much guaranteed CL football. It’s a completely different proposition that is far easier to manage.