Billy Dean
Player Valuation: £70m
I think after the derby we go to 1 game a week. I think this will help the manager and squad and hopefully we'll see an improvement to our recent form.
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GwladysBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
Villa and West Ham, under Dean Smith and David Moyes, started from lower positions and both look to be better than us this season.
Villa are a point behind now with a game in hand and then look at the goal difference.
Ancelotti has well and truly cocked up lately and it’s down to tinkering with the team.
Who drops their starting CB pairing for any PL game? The fella lost the plot thinking we’d walk Fulham over and now we’re staring down the barrel of three defeats on the run.
Shambolic management.
That's a fair enough comment, which leads to the next part...if not Ancelotti, then who, is the magical silver bullet out there?
I'm not sure it is, he may be hiding in plain sight, but its a pure lottery, if you spin the wheel.
You can name plenty lf managers who've done well but there is no magic formula that lets them do it again...
See Kendall II & III
At the moment, the known, known of Ancelotti is a better bet than the known unknown, of the spin on the managerial wheel of fortune.
How long for is up to results and Moshiri's good will
I'm not turning on the manager at all, personally. I just feel that given we've won 2 of our last 7, and it's not like we've played brilliant sides, we have to start to look at the reasons for that. And no, it's not just injuries, because the only player out for any sustained amount of time has been Allan.
My main worry is our lack of variety in how we attack. You don't have to have brilliant players to have formed different routes to goal. We really don't seem to have any other plan and that's a bit of a worry for me, because we then become so reliant on just 1 or 2 players, and if they have off days our strikers are starved of service.
The other thing is his tendency to overcomplicate things just because of one or two injuries. I think with a better squad that can work, but look at the Fulham game. It was clear from the off that we were going to lose that, and that did stem from the system, because the system had too many players in one area of the pitch trying to do the same thing.
I also think we'll go on another run at some stage. The issue is, where will that leave us? Had we picked up 4 more points from Fulham and Newcastle - which is the least that should be expected - we'd still have given ourselves a lot more of a platform.
Yes, I totally agree his selections have been nuts at times. I think most could see we would lose that game from the line up, same with Leeds at home.
However, the start of the season we were very good and he has managed to develop some players that were utterly awful.
When he has more effective players to call upon, rotation won’t be as much of an issue.
Let’s give it time and see how it goes, it’s hard to judge him so early when he hasn’t been afforded the transfer windows that other lesser managers have been.
ForeverEverton
Player Valuation: £50m
Is this not the same across any fan base? Some were also amazed to get a manager like CA and wondered why he would take a job like Everton. This club is completely different to what he has had before.
Loyalty can also be misplaced, dont forget some advocating giving Marco Silva more time when it was clear he was done with us sat 18th in the league.
Here's the updated attacking stats after last night, for the season. This is ordered on 'chances created'
Now, if I order it on 'big chance created', we're 12th in the league, with 28. However, our 'big chance conversion rate' is brilliant - it's 55% - that's 7% more than any other team.
That tells us that we put the big opportunities that we create (well, more than half of them, which is very good) away - it's because we've had Dom in such good form, and a lot of his goals have come from in the six-yard box. We just don't create enough of them.
If we just find a way to start creating more chances, and that means not just having one route to goal (2 if you count set-pieces which we just aren't winning enough of right now - I stress again, but 4 corners won in the last 5 league games is horrific because we're genuinely very good from attacking corners too), then we'll be in a far better position because our forwards put those chances away at a rate that is better than anyone else in the league.
Now, if I order it on 'big chance created', we're 12th in the league, with 28. However, our 'big chance conversion rate' is brilliant - it's 55% - that's 7% more than any other team.
That tells us that we put the big opportunities that we create (well, more than half of them, which is very good) away - it's because we've had Dom in such good form, and a lot of his goals have come from in the six-yard box. We just don't create enough of them.
If we just find a way to start creating more chances, and that means not just having one route to goal (2 if you count set-pieces which we just aren't winning enough of right now - I stress again, but 4 corners won in the last 5 league games is horrific because we're genuinely very good from attacking corners too), then we'll be in a far better position because our forwards put those chances away at a rate that is better than anyone else in the league.
My interpretation of those comments at the time were that we needed a top manager like Ancelotti because of the expectations. The fans needed someone they believed in so that we would get through rough spells, and unfortunately there wasn't much faith that Silva was the right man.
Pressure is a factor at many clubs and I don't think we are that different. The longer the club is starved of success the more desperate people will become as well.
I agree with your there mate.
Egil Olsen
Player Valuation: £8m
It is the manager's responsibility. I do not buy that the players are not good enough. Allan, for example, was perhaps the best midfielder in Europe under Sarri in this particular phase. AD is a physical beast and with enormous endurance. Richarlison is the born pressure player. DCL will master this excellently. We can use JR as an enganche, a type of player that even a high-intensity team like Leeds has room for. Digne is a French national team player, and who is used to playing this way.
Both Leeds and Southampton master this. With even better players, they will do even better.
My point is that we have good enough players to play in a different way. What we see are not limitations in the players, but limitations in Ancelotti's philosophy.
Toffe3m4n
Player Valuation: £80m
I see this a lot, but I disagree.
'Overhauls' rarely work, certainly short to medium term. There are obviously deficiencies in the squad, but for a new manager to be successful he needs time to properly assess the squad over a season in different systems playing different teams to be able to clearly identify where the improvements need to be made and the order they need to be made in.
If we moved on another half a dozen senior squad players (at most) and replaced them with more quality in the summer then that's the main objective in terms of playing staff turnover. The positions on the pitch that they represent will be based on what Brands, Ancelotti & his staff deem to be priority based on their conclusions from this season.
Obviously bringing loads of new players in which, on paper, would be improvements on the current crop would help in so much that the overall quality would move up at a minimum.. but you still need to form chemistry. We've seen over the last couple of years just how much 'familiarity' in a team factors into their performances and, subsequently, results. The reds for instance haven't had the best squad (on paper) compared to City but they walked the title last year and won a Champions League primarily based on how Klopp was given the time to develop them as a team and not once did he need to 'overhaul' the squad - he just added pieces over time where he needed to.
The hope is that, over time, Brands & Ancelotti will achieve similar with Everton. That's ultimately where we stand.
Gwladysstreetlad
Player Valuation: £50m
It happens with all fans but not to this level mate. Fans turn on managers all the time but we seems to turn on our managers based on a single result. And its not just the turning on them that's the problem, it's the level of ferocity that comes with it at times. There's no perspective at all in half the stuff that gets said.
Sure Loyalty can be misplaced and go to far but most rational adults should be able to tell where the line is. Its one thing to turn on Silva or Koeman or Martinez because you truly fear the long impact they'd have on the club and another to turn on Anchelotti because of a handful of shocking results.
That's four out of 10 outfield players.
Pressing is a team art. So yes, maybe Ancelotti prefers his philosophy. Fine. Bit I still maintain even if he wanted to play gargoylepress, the rest of them aren't up to it.
It is the players, in part. Some players suit a style / system better than others.
Anyway, with a user name like Egil Olsen, od have thought you'd love a bit of hoofball?
Pressing is a team art. So yes, maybe Ancelotti prefers his philosophy. Fine. Bit I still maintain even if he wanted to play gargoylepress, the rest of them aren't up to it.
It is the players, in part. Some players suit a style / system better than others.
Anyway, with a user name like Egil Olsen, od have thought you'd love a bit of hoofball?
Steve EFC
Player Valuation: £8m
Fair play for being an optimist. Mathematically you’re right. Logically not (I think).
I’m basing my expectations based on a) your point could be said for any of the teams, go on a little run and climb a few placings.
and b) We are not playing like a squad that achieves top 4.
They say the league table doesn’t lie. I believe we finish and are good enough to finish where we are now.
I know we’ve all got our own opinions and that’s what this forum is for. Mine is that our best 11 playing every week would be good enough to maybe get top 4.
This issue for us is we don’t have the same quality beneath the first 11 that United, city, RS and Chelsea do.
That is we why we are scratching our heads at our lack of consistency.
I’d like to think this will come in time with the right things going on behind the scenes.
Jim Hopper
Player Valuation: £40m
For me he needs to discover a way of getting past those teams that come here and press us into submission. I get the team is poor in general but early on when we played the likes of Brighton & West Brom who pressed us heavily we were able to convert defending and being on the back foot into attack. The last couple of games against teams of this calibre we have seen no reply, it’s been an easy game for the opposition. It’s okay to lose at home, most teams have this season, but to have no response and no way of getting back into the game is sickening. To just come out and say “we just couldn’t handle high pressing game” is not really a viable excuse, if you’re an opposition manager listening to those comments you already have your team talk and tactics sorted before you’ve kicked a ball against us.
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