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2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

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Too many of the players look jaded if not exhausted...

...We still lack pace and/or the ability to play at a higher tempo.
You can't be too fit, I've always thought - its one of the few physical things you can improve on, not like natual skill a d such.
Sometimes fitness helps with mental fitness too like effort, will to win.
But in the end you can't very often un-bottle the bottlers...and the only true discipline is self discipline.
 
This is very true. We are one of the worst teams in the league on the transition. You don't have to be that good to do well either. If you are half decent on the transition and decent at set plays in both boxes, you will do well in this league.

In transition from defending to attack we are not quick enough to play forward to catch teams un-organised, we then play backwards allowing them time to get in their shape.

In the transition from Attacking to Defending we never go for that real high press, it more of a token gesture of a press which they pass around and consequently we end up back defending our own 18 yard box. We never seem to win the ball high up the pitch which makes it easier to score, usually it is ion our defending 3rd or after an effort on our goal, then we have to work the ball through 11 opposition players.
 
Why did you hire and sack 10 different managers over the last 10 seasons Carlo?? You don't get to use the 'first season excuse. We used them up. Its champions league in first season or you're a failure. This 5 points off champions league with a game in hand in February doesn't cut it you transitional bellend.
I honestly don't think its Carlos fault. In fact he's been brought in to take us up a number of levels. How long do we say that 'rebuilds' and 'transitional as fans is ok for us?
 
Villa and West Ham, under Dean Smith and David Moyes, started from lower positions and both look to be better than us this season.

Villa are a point behind now with a game in hand and then look at the goal difference.

Ancelotti has well and truly cocked up lately and it’s down to tinkering with the team.

Who drops their starting CB pairing for any PL game? The fella lost the plot thinking we’d walk Fulham over and now we’re staring down the barrel of three defeats on the run.

Shambolic management.

Why don't you go support Villa or West Ham then?

Everton clearly don't help your mental health.
 
I'm not turning on the manager at all, personally. I just feel that given we've won 2 of our last 7, and it's not like we've played brilliant sides, we have to start to look at the reasons for that.

Do we?

Is it the time for finger pointing?

Or should we look at the bigger picture?

For me, that's Everton, in 7th, 5 points+game in hand on 4th place. Pretty good, all considered.

Yet, we see people on here, and social media fuming at Carlo Ancelotti, with some sack shouts. What world do these people live in?

Stadium will get approved, finance is well boxed off for that.

Then, after a clearout (Remember all these? Schneiderlin,Garbutt,Stekelenburg,Sandro Ramirez,Yannick Bolasie,Cenk Tosun,Theo Walcott,Oumar Niasse,Cuco Martina,Shani Tarashaj etc) - we'll then have the FFP capacity/bandwidth to spend and strengthen in the summer.

The optimism/hope for me is new stadium/Usmanov involvement in that stadium/Everton having cleared deadwood have the capacity to spend in the summer under one of the games greatest ever managers.

Some need a reality check - the quality in this Everton team is 7th-10th. A few injuries and it's 10th-13th.
 

It happens with all fans but not to this level mate. Fans turn on managers all the time but we seems to turn on our managers based on a single result. And its not just the turning on them that's the problem, it's the level of ferocity that comes with it at times. There's no perspective at all in half the stuff that gets said.

Sure Loyalty can be misplaced and go to far but most rational adults should be able to tell where the line is. Its one thing to turn on Silva or Koeman or Martinez because you truly fear the long impact they'd have on the club and another to turn on Anchelotti because of a handful of shocking results.
If you class what we're seeing in this thread as the fans turning then yes this happens at all clubs. For all the hullabaloo, there are very, very few people actually turning on him. There are people saying he's got things wrong, that the football's boring etc, but there is almost nobody saying sack him, or that he's under severe pressure, or that he's woefully underperforming. For some reason some people have decided that this is tantamount to turning up at Finch Farm with placards and taking burning torches to his house. It's a bit odd really.
 
Here's the updated attacking stats after last night, for the season. This is ordered on 'chances created'

Now, if I order it on 'big chance created', we're 12th in the league, with 28. However, our 'big chance conversion rate' is brilliant - it's 55% - that's 7% more than any other team.

That tells us that we put the big opportunities that we create (well, more than half of them, which is very good) away - it's because we've had Dom in such good form, and a lot of his goals have come from in the six-yard box. We just don't create enough of them.

If we just find a way to start creating more chances, and that means not just having one route to goal (2 if you count set-pieces which we just aren't winning enough of right now - I stress again, but 4 corners won in the last 5 league games is horrific because we're genuinely very good from attacking corners too), then we'll be in a far better position because our forwards put those chances away at a rate that is better than anyone else in the league.

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Can see why Brighton are down there from them stats. 35% conversion rate.
 
It does seem, in the money era, we have a tendency to turn on managers very quickly, some (Allardyce, Silva, Koeman) were more than justified, the other because he tried but ultimately failed (Martinez). Moyes, bar maybe 03/04 and his latter couple of seasons, would rarely face as much disgruntlement
 
We

We are in the European places with a game in hand and in your eyes we have been atrocious.

That's brilliant. So we just have to improve by a few percent and we are in contention.

But we are not in a European place, top 4 is Champions League. 5th is Europa, the other 2 Europa spots goes to the FA Cup and Carabao Cup, these will not go to the league unless the winners have already qualified through the league. It could go down to 7th but it could easily just go down to 5th!
 
Can see why Brighton are down there from them stats. 35% conversion rate.

Yep.

I don't really do xG and things. I find it all gets a bit convoluted. But chances created (and the other metrics) are pretty much the best ones for assessing how creative a side is.

I really think it's an issue for us just by watching us play, because we're so predictable. Now the stats also back that up but do show that our primary route to goal can work well (or we wouldn't have such a high conversion rate), but we're so reliant on it. And it shows in games like Newcastle, Fulham etc, when our way of attacking was exactly the same way as it was against the best team in the land last night. I know Carlo acknowledges it, but really, it's time to start seeing that acknowledgement come to fruition on the pitch.
 

Do we?

Is it the time for finger pointing?

Or should we look at the bigger picture?

For me, that's Everton, in 7th, 5 points+game in hand on 4th place. Pretty good, all considered.

Yet, we see people on here, and social media fuming at Carlo Ancelotti, with some sack shouts. What world do these people live in?

Stadium will get approved, finance is well boxed off for that.

Then, after a clearout (Remember all these? Schneiderlin,Garbutt,Stekelenburg,Sandro Ramirez,Yannick Bolasie,Cenk Tosun,Theo Walcott,Oumar Niasse,Cuco Martina,Shani Tarashaj etc) - we'll then have the FFP capacity/bandwidth to spend and strengthen in the summer.

The optimism/hope for me is new stadium/Usmanov involvement in that stadium/Everton having cleared deadwood have the capacity to spend in the summer under one of the games greatest ever managers.

Some need a reality check - the quality in this Everton team is 7th-10th. A few injuries and it's 10th-13th.

Completely agree. If we are shooting for 4-6th, we need a budget to match it and the right players. It will also mean cutting loose the squad players who are borderline stick or twist.
 
Do we?

Is it the time for finger pointing?

Or should we look at the bigger picture?

For me, that's Everton, in 7th, 5 points+game in hand on 4th place. Pretty good, all considered.

Yet, we see people on here, and social media fuming at Carlo Ancelotti, with some sack shouts. What world do these people live in?

Stadium will get approved, finance is well boxed off for that.

Then, after a clearout (Remember all these? Schneiderlin,Garbutt,Stekelenburg,Sandro Ramirez,Yannick Bolasie,Cenk Tosun,Theo Walcott,Oumar Niasse,Cuco Martina,Shani Tarashaj etc) - we'll then have the FFP capacity/bandwidth to spend and strengthen in the summer.

The optimism/hope for me is new stadium/Usmanov involvement in that stadium/Everton having cleared deadwood have the capacity to spend in the summer under one of the games greatest ever managers.

Some need a reality check - the quality in this Everton team is 7th-10th. A few injuries and it's 10th-13th.

I think we have to ask why we have been incapable of beating some very poor sides. For me, it's clear that we don't have enough variety in our attacking play. The stats back that up.

I can expect that to be better while also agreeing with everything you say above.
 
I honestly don't think its Carlos fault. In fact he's been brought in to take us up a number of levels. How long do we say that 'rebuilds' and 'transitional as fans is ok for us?

Took S A F 4 (?) years, I think. Can't see any reason why we should be different.
 
15 min?

When it comes to pace, neither Dias, Stones nor Laporte are extremely fast players. There are many teams that do not necessarily have Usain Bolt in defense who have high pressure, or a more conservative variant. Few teams do it for 90 minutes, but do it in periods.

But the point is to follow certain clear guidelines. Already in children's football, you learn to step down when the player with the ball has no pressure on him. If the player is under pressure, then you can keep the line. If the opponent plays a support pass, then you can push up, etc. Eventually you learn more universal rules, and at senior level, the coach usually has some preferences of his own. But all this must be coordinated and practiced.

What has been the most prominent in the last decade in football, and has developed the most, is precisely the pressure game. Without this in place, you have no chance of being successful. However, we choose a variant that most teams have gone away from a long time ago, except for Mourinho, but in return they are good at counterattacks. Nevertheless, Mourinho's success has also been limited over the past decade. It is also difficult to imagine that Tottenham will be a serious competitor to the other top teams with this style.

I've been wondering for a long time what Ancelotti's plan is, but it's really quite obvious; Catenaccio. Then we just have to accept it, and hope it brings success.

Football is cyclical, and in reality there is no 1 perfect way to play. If I had a pound for each time there was, I'd be a lot richer than I am today.

Before the latest iteration of pressing there was a period where it was all about possession, and smaller, intelligent, tricky midfielders. Before that it was you needed to have 2 defensive midfielders who were very positionally disciplined. Before that sides would play with a guy with a free role in a number 10 spot. The back 3 with a sweeper tends to come around cyclically in amongst all of those.

Even within that, you get sides like Leicester, who do none of the above, and produce results that go far beyond any rational, they sit deep, play with 2 up front, have no pace at the back, and ow possession stats and win the league, by basicaly breaking every supposed rule that exists.

The game is constantly evolving, so the idea what is currently the status quo will l always remain so I find very odd. It's just the current phase, and someone bright will find a solution to it soon. To a degree with Liverpool they already have. It's like evolution really. The best managers, are able to adapt, and change what they do to suit the needs of a game.

People go on about the likes of Hassunhuttl, but he's just lost 6 games in a row, and been hammered 9-0 again for the 2nd time in as many years. There's a line where tactical consistency just becomes dogma. It just becomes sending players out to lose.

If Ancelotti tried to play a certain way, we would probably be where Southampton are, as the players aren't good enough to win every week doing it. We've had "philosophy mangers" in Martinez and Silva and it ended badly. I'm much happier we have someone who is pragmatic and gets us over the line. I don't think anybody would want to be waiting 3 years for a manager to get his ideas in place. Maybe thats a bad thing, but thats teh world we live in now. If we lose 2 games, one of them against a side who has won 17 games in a row, people are questioning a manager. What world are we living in where people get years to put their plan together?
 
It's no good doing it for 15 mins, then getting turned over is it? Also, I suspect the staying deep strategy is because he knows Keane and Mina turn like oil tankers and get done by pace. Long term Godfrey addresses that, but he's arguably not looked ready for CB this season and he's been needed at LB.

Agree though, it's not a satisfactory set up. Its got us so far, but I think the squad is st its ceiling.
Many of them probably
 

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