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Champions League revamp

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Wouldnt that be a breach of the agreement that they signed with the PL then? Points deduction and 20m fine.
i think it means that the 12 clubs originally signed a contract which the madrid court says is binding meaning that they can't simply state to the prem that they have pulled out because they are contractually obliged to be part of the super league, i think if they dont comply then they can be sued for breach of contract and would have to pay a massive fine like 250 mil or something i read.

im sure the prem clubs have lawyered up to see if their contract is enforceable or not.

also its the Madrid court which made the ruling which no doubt has been paid off by the corrupt leader of the super league so im not sure how much weight it holds on the prem sides as its not like the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has made a formal ruling
 
Yes good analysis. What I will say, is that there will be quite a large toxic hole of money that is due to be paid from this. People will have fronted a LOT of cash on the proviso of even bigger returns. They will have spent enormous amounts of manpower and time, and as a hedge fund will look weak as F if they just let people walk away scott free (operating in what is a very competitive and cut throat area). They can't really be seen to be that weak.

There will be a value too in this. Just like when you buy a house you put upwards of 10% down as a deposit and the house as collateral a hedge fund will want it's collateral. A hedge fund will demand a fair bit more collateral than a high street bank too (for a number of reasons but mainly as it's a riskier proposal, and they aim to make bigger gains than high streets bank). Let's put it this way, an entire department will probably be being laid off if it doesn't go ahead and they don't get paid back. Their investors, who they will have convinced to put money in are likely to be v wealthy and probably powerful people will be getting angry their funding has gone.

The question then becomes who will repay this value. You have 3 groups currently. The hedge fund, the teams that have stayed and the teams that have left. There are a myriad of possibilities that could play out. It could be that the Hedge fund guys don't see the court case as sufficient to take liability off the remaining members. It may be that that they accept it and drop claim, or put the claim into those who left. There's all sorts of possibilities beyond this.

What will be critical is what's in the small print, in either direction about leaving having signed up. Most contracts will have some sort of break clause, but they will also have a whole manner of small print that make it very difficult. I have just had a contract returned this morning as it happens where the person I have sent it to feels they have an opt out option, but in reality it would not be worthwhile for them to pursue it due to the small print that exists. The likelihood is, that the nature of this small print is going to underpin exactly who or what is liable.

But yes, this will rumble on. For those PL clubs they are stuck in a very tough spot. The whole football world has made it clear they hate the product, including most of their core fans (who still provide most of the money). A handful of glory hunters from elsewhere who watch on streams are not going to fill grounds or frankly spend the same to make up for the core business fans who will probably boycott. The PL seems to have talked itself into a position whereby if they go and pursue playing in it, they will probably have to leave the PL or at worst face enormous initial points penalties (and probably worse from broadcasters etc). Yet on the flip side they have this toxic debt situation whereby very wealthy hedge funds and investors want to claw a lot of lost revenue back.

It's not uncommon in this scenario for a hedge fund to also pursue not just lost money, but also proposed lost profits, if the contracts have been ended with a breach. It is a far more unregulated world compared to mortgages. But imagine your bank can pursue you not just for the value of the loan, but also the value of any proposed interest payments that are due.
After reading that, it's almost a relief that we have floundered over the last few decades and not been seen to have sufficient status to got embroiled in this fiasco.

Could be total carnage.

As an aside, what power does a Spanish court decision have in the UK after Brexit on a pre-Brexit agreement? I really have no idea. I suspect that if your an English team, you'd argue naff all and tell them to take the legal equivalent of a running jump.
 
i think it means that the 12 clubs originally signed a contract which the madrid court says is binding meaning that they can't simply state to the prem that they have pulled out because they are contractually obliged to be part of the super league, i think if they dont comply then they can be sued for breach of contract and would have to pay a massive fine like 250 mil or something i read.

im sure the prem clubs have lawyered up to see if their contract is enforceable or not.

also its the Madrid court which made the ruling which no doubt has been paid off by the corrupt leader of the super league so im not sure how much weight it holds on the prem sides as its not like the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has made a formal ruling
Oh for sure the premier league scabs will be prepared for this. Look at City's ongoing ffp argument with UEFA; I am certain that City will keep fighting UEFA until UEFA run out of money or will to fight.

Could UEFA or PL come in to defend the recalcitrant scabs in all this? As they also have a lot to lose, and they've already bent over backwards to ensure the goose keeps laying golden eggs in their competitions.

Every question I have just seems to muddy the issue. The greedy scabs really have poked a big skunk here and the stink is going to hang over us all for some time I guess.
 
After reading that, it's almost a relief that we have floundered over the last few decades and not been seen to have sufficient status to got embroiled in this fiasco.

Could be total carnage.

As an aside, what power does a Spanish court decision have in the UK after Brexit on a pre-Brexit agreement? I really have no idea. I suspect that if your an English team, you'd argue naff all and tell them to take the legal equivalent of a running jump.

I wouldn't want any part pf what is happening currently.

On the 2nd point probably somewhere between being the automatic protocol here and being completely irrelevant. Brexit makes it more likely to be the latter, though I still think the UK uses a European Court as it's highest court. From a legal standpoint, the British teams could appeal to the High Court to say the tournament was not officially running. That would probably be the protocol of how it would work, and they would rule whether they agreed with the Spanish court (which theoretically they would, but as you say we now sit under a different legal jurisdiction).

I'm not sure that that would necessarily be the basis of their defence though. From their perspective, whether the competition has or has not officially started is very much a legal discussion between the lenders and the 3 remaining clubs, and probably underpins whether the lender can push for charges from the remaining teams. There wouldn't be any sense in the UK clubs overturning that particular finding (the Hedge fund may want to). They're challenge is essentially going to be;
1) They left so have no liability
2) They had the contractual right to leave as agreed between lender and themselves
3) The competition can go ahead, with different teams so there is no case to chase outstanding payments.

I'm not a barrister, but that would be the broad basis of their case.

Where there might be an overlap, is if the lender puts pressure on those clubs to say we only recognise payments if the original teams were in as stated at the outset, this was affirmed in a court, and the remaining 3 teams put a legal challenge in to say as the tournament goes ahead a court hasn't accepted your resignations. That is when things would get interesting.
 
i think it means that the 12 clubs originally signed a contract which the madrid court says is binding meaning that they can't simply state to the prem that they have pulled out because they are contractually obliged to be part of the super league, i think if they dont comply then they can be sued for breach of contract and would have to pay a massive fine like 250 mil or something i read.

im sure the prem clubs have lawyered up to see if their contract is enforceable or not.

also its the Madrid court which made the ruling which no doubt has been paid off by the corrupt leader of the super league so im not sure how much weight it holds on the prem sides as its not like the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has made a formal ruling

You can bet your bottom dollar it will be raised to a higher level if the above came out, and it will start to get very messy and expensive for all teams involved.

If UEFA doesn't license that competition (which it won't) clubs who play any part in it might be in breach of rules and players become invalidated for domestic competition and national teams. Likewise, if they leave, I think it's increasingly accepted that they would have to leave the PL.

I'm sure if the PL tried to issue a penalty at this stage, it would be challenged in a court by those 6 teams though, on the basis they have left, so the PL will probably avoid that course of action. Quite what the implications of the court decision are though are fascinating. It could be, if they are scheduled to play, and don't turn up, they are liable financially to penalties.
 

I can't wait till the super league becomes a reality and SKY and Talksport start to talk about it as a "natural progressions" from The champions league and Premier league. Then we will see if the masses just pick a super league team or a local team to support.
 
Be interesting to see what this is considering no clubs have officially pulled out yet. Also Laporta met with Angelli and Perez yesterday so they are up to something.

 
Now we know why all these regulations and FFP are not bothered about debt, only about rich owners spending their own money. I woukd think not qllowing clubs to rack up this debt would be more beneficial for football.

 

Now we know why all these regulations and FFP are not bothered about debt, only about rich owners spending their own money. I woukd think not qllowing clubs to rack up this debt would be more beneficial for football.


Not sure if this is the same type of debt referenced in your post, but Barca president has now said their debt is over a billion £.

That is absolutely vile, how the hell can a club be allowed to run up that kind of debt. That has got to be non-manageable / serviceable even for a club like Barca, especially now their cash cow has left.

 
Not sure if this is the same type of debt referenced in your post, but Barca president has now said their debt is over a billion £.

That is absolutely vile, how the hell can a club be allowed to run up that kind of debt. That has got to be non-manageable / serviceable even for a club like Barca, especially now their cash cow has left.


Some of the biggest clubs in the world are actually really poorly run, from a financial perspective. People think it makes a difference that they are "owned by the fans" in reality it doesn't. If you look at Barcelona specifically, the transfer fees are crazy, but the wages they pay to the players are just unsustainable. Even the scouts are on huge wages, laporta mentioned 1 scout in South American being on €8m per year. I think there has to be some sort of salary cap in football and a cap on agent fees and clubs spending has to be held up to some sort of scrutiny otherwise these current big clubs could go bankrupt, we have seen it happen with some historically big clubs.
 
I can't wait till the super league becomes a reality and SKY and Talksport start to talk about it as a "natural progressions" from The champions league and Premier league. Then we will see if the masses just pick a super league team or a local team to support.
Sky and talk sport will support the super league is murdoch had the right to air the the super league.
Sky’s opposition was that it paved the way for the big clubs managing their own media selling directly to the viewers / fans.
 
Napoli President has made comments that there needs to be a new pan European league which will raise £8.5b per season. The only difference between his plan and the Super League is he is proposing teams have to qualify for it. Still think this will happen, basically as a break away from the current champions league with 20 teams in it instead of 32. His rationale for this does seem a little flawed though as he said that the amount of money clubs spend to win the champions league, doesn't give them enough prize money. When in reality if revenues increase, transfer fees and wages just increase, its the "prune juice effect".

 
I dont think the Super League would have lasted because I doubt it was designed to. At this point it seems like a scheme by the spanish clubs to bail them out of their debt.
 

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