Commercial Airliners

[Dylan]

Forgot about the skis bit. And the heavy loads obviously. I'm sure they pack it up to MTOW and every other limit possible.

Packed to the rafters!!!! Space available? Stick something in it!

 

[TX Bill]

Oh man !!! Him crashing that at the end was hilarious. I've always wanted to try one of those flight sims but with a newer plane like 777 or 787. Cost a boat load though.

 

[18efc78]

When I watched that five part series on the making of the 777 (posted earlier in the thread) I loved how they tested the wing strength by bending it upward with force until it finally snapped. It's amazing how much stress those wings can take and I doubt seriously that any commercial airliner would ever be subjected to those types of forces in normal every day. They can take a lot.

I worked on that 380 rig and the amount of hydraulic rams positioned on the wings was unbelievable, even ramming the engine pylons which had 6tonne dummy engines attached. Also saw the a400m on test as well in the hangar next door which had a ram attached to the aft cargo door.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Packed to the rafters!!!! Space available? Stick something in it!

At the school where I did my training most of the faculty were retired USAF. The Dept Chair flew cargo and told a story of departing Anchorage that almost didn't happen. He was taking a load of Navy equipment and let the WO sign off on the load. He noticed in his preflight that the gear and tires looked a little more saggy/squat that normal but kept going about his business. He took serious notice when the takeoff roll was much longer than anticipated and claims he could see how large the eyes were on the controller in the tower as he pass low overhead, but he made the trip in the end. After checking it all out upon landing, the WO had loaded a "few extra thousand pounds" because when you overload a boat "it hardly makes any difference."

Always double check your manifest/weight and balance calculations.

 

[TX Bill]

I worked on that 380 rig and the amount of hydraulic rams positioned on the wings was unbelievable, even ramming the engine pylons which had 6tonne dummy engines attached. Also saw the a400m on test as well in the hangar next door which had a ram attached to the aft cargo door.

You worked on the making of the A380 ?? Hats off to you. What an undertaking !! Did you enjoy it or did the work every become boring for you?

 

[SerenityNigh]

Oh man !!! Him crashing that at the end was hilarious. I've always wanted to try one of those flight sims but with a newer plane like 777 or 787. Cost a boat load though.

You and me both. Maybe someday I'll run to Flight Safety and burn some money in a sim, but unless I take a new job soon that's some years away.

Still, this thread has got me hot and bothered and I need to get off my ass and get recurrent.

 

[TX Bill]

At the school where I did my training most of the faculty were retired USAF. The Dept Chair flew cargo and told a story of departing Anchorage that almost didn't happen. He was taking a load of Navy equipment and let the WO sign off on the load. He noticed in his preflight that the gear and tires looked a little more saggy/squat that normal but kept going about his business. He took serious notice when the takeoff roll was much longer than anticipated and claims he could see how large the eyes were on the controller in the tower as he pass low overhead, but he made the trip in the end. After checking it all out upon landing, the WO had loaded a "few extra thousand pounds" because when you overload a boat "it hardly makes any difference."

Always double check your manifest/weight and balance calculations.

Loading and how you load could be life and death.

That 747 that took off out of Bagram I believe crashed due to improper loading/securing of the cargo:

 

[SerenityNigh]

Loading and how you load could be life and death.

That 747 that took off out of Bagram I believe crashed due to improper loading/securing of the cargo:

I believe that was a load-shift accident, which is maybe the worst. But flying a load that's out of W/B limits can be deadly even if not so dramatic.

 

[TX Bill]

I believe that was a load-shift accident, which is maybe the worst. But flying a load that's out of W/B limits can be deadly even if not so dramatic.

Load shift. That's the term. I'm assuming that's what they determined cause it. I can't imagine it could have been much else.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Load shift. That's the term. I'm assuming that's what they determined cause it. I can't imagine it could have been much else.

Did you remember to set the parking brake on that Hum-Vee?

 

[Dylan]

At the school where I did my training most of the faculty were retired USAF. The Dept Chair flew cargo and told a story of departing Anchorage that almost didn't happen. He was taking a load of Navy equipment and let the WO sign off on the load. He noticed in his preflight that the gear and tires looked a little more saggy/squat that normal but kept going about his business. He took serious notice when the takeoff roll was much longer than anticipated and claims he could see how large the eyes were on the controller in the tower as he pass low overhead, but he made the trip in the end. After checking it all out upon landing, the WO had loaded a "few extra thousand pounds" because when you overload a boat "it hardly makes any difference."

Always double check your manifest/weight and balance calculations.

I have to ask, where was the AF loadmaster? His plane, his responsibility.

When I was at SDV Team 1 and we flew the ASDS in the C5, the ASDS and the LTV came in just under the wartime takeoff capacity and the loadmaster was extra anal about getting everything perfect. Same thing when we loaded the support gear/equipment into the C-17....the loadmaster was all over us making sure the proper things went into their proper places.

Tell you what, that was an extra fun takeoff in the C-5. Hear the engines spool up, start the takeoff roll on the Hickam reef runway. Rolling rolling, rotate and then no perceptible change in altitude. Then the runway changed into water and we very slowly inched our way up. We completely blew the normal departure procedure. Just something else though, didn't feel like we were anywhere near fast enough to get off the ground.

 

[Dylan]

Did you remember to set the parking brake on that Hum-Vee?

I thought it was a tank that broke its strap downs.

 

[SerenityNigh]

I have to ask, where was the AF loadmaster? His plane, his responsibility.

When I was at SDV Team 1 and we flew the ASDS in the C5, the ASDS and the LTV came in just under the wartime takeoff capacity and the loadmaster was extra anal about getting everything perfect. Same thing when we loaded the support gear/equipment into the C-17....the loadmaster was all over us making sure the proper things went into their proper places.

Tell you what, that was an extra fun takeoff in the C-5. Hear the engines spool up, start the takeoff roll on the Hickam reef runway. Rolling rolling, rotate and then no perceptible change in altitude. Then the runway changed into water and we very slowly inched our way up. We completely blew the normal departure procedure. Just something else though, didn't feel like we were anywhere near fast enough to get off the ground.

Much easier to build airspeed if you have no climb requirements. Set the AP and sip your iced tea, that sounds like a good takeoff to me.

 

[Dylan]

Did you remember to set the parking brake on that Hum-Vee?

I thought it was a tank that broke its strap downs.

From the wiki article:

On 2 June 2013, investigators from the Ministry of Transport and Civil Aviation of Afghanistan confirmed the load shift hypothesis: three armoured vehicles and two mine-sweeping vehicles, totalling 80 tons of weight, had not been properly secured. At least one armored vehicle had come loose and rolled backwards against the airplane's rear bulkhead, damaging the bulkhead. This also crippled key hydraulic systems and damaged the horizontal stabilizer components, which rendered the airplane uncontrollable. Control of the aircraft was therefore lost, with the abnormal pitch-up rotation, stall, and crash to the ground ensuing

 

[SerenityNigh]

I thought it was a tank that broke its strap downs.

I don't know the specifics, but it was certainly large and moving when it shouldn't have been.