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SerenityNigh said:
I don't think necessarily so, but they do have limitations. Most large airplanes don't side slip either because of the risk of pod or tip strike on the upwind wing. Most smaller airplanes don't crab because they can't handle the side load stress to the landing gear. The B-52 is specifically designed to crab and has a dial to adjust main gear direction when landing.
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Some great videos of Embraer Dash's mainly Fly(may)be landing in strong crosswinds at Birmingham a couple of years ago on YouTube....I think they term that type of landing 'crabbing' too
 
Tree13 said:
Just returned from South Africa with Mrs. Tree: we flew with Virgin Atlantic on a 787.

Premium Economy on the way out (Heathrow to Johannesburg) - ok. Better than BA premium economy, (Virgin plane was cleaner, more comfortable and the cabin staff were better than anything I've ever seen in BA livery) but not as good as Norwegian premium economy (much more legroom with Norwegian, and they are usually pretty cheap).

Upper Class on the way back - we paid £400 each to upgrade and it was worth it for the completely flat bed. For the first time ever on a flight I managed to get some sleep. Loads of extra space, no gormless fool in front of me reclining their seat and complimentary lounge access before the flight. Food was nothing special, nor was the wine... but who picks an airline specifically because of the food? One minor gripe with Virgin Atlantic Upper class is the fact that they expect you to pay extra to use wifi, which is bang out of order given the price of the seat.
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I use both Virgin and BA regularly for that route and have grown fed up of both. VA pricing for premium economy has gone through the roof, and BA premium economy isn't any better than cattle class. I used KLM and Air France about 6-8 weeks ago and their business class for less dough was significantly cheaper so just booked the same for October. The A380 Air France return leg was excellent....that is some piece of engineering.
 
Tree13 said:
At the risk of banging on about them, Norwegian operate 787 dreamliners from Gatwick to several american hubs. It's an excellent aircraft, and the improved cabin pressure makes a huge difference in reducing passenger discomfort and fatigue.
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Might give them a coat of looking at as I do the States around 6 times a year to various places...cheers
 
evertony said:
Some great videos of Embraer Dash's mainly Fly(may)be landing in strong crosswinds at Birmingham a couple of years ago on YouTube....I think they term that type of landing 'crabbing' too
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Like this one? The pilot could be much more aggressive, but you can see the upwind wing stay low throughout touchdown, which is what low wing aircraft tend to avoid to prevent pod strikes.



Compare that to the landing at 1:22 here, which I don't think is all that great
*4:10 is nice though, and that's some squeaky bum wind

 
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SerenityNigh said:
Like this one? The pilot could be much more aggressive, but you can see the upwind wing stay low throughout touchdown, which is what low wing aircraft tend to avoid to prevent pod strikes.



Compare that to the landing at 1:22 here, which I don't think is all that great
*4:10 is nice though, and that's some squeaky bum wind

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Holy crappers!!!



Almost a tail-strike on takeoff there!!!
 
Layne said:
Noob question but are many runways that wavy? Thought they had to be flat to help planes gain speed.
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Net slope is a big deal, but I don't know if there are any rules on undulations. They're probably not really as big as they seem. EGBB has a net rise/drop of 25', so it's not really that large. (over a length of 8500')

http://www.gcmap.com/diagrams/pdf/EGBB.pdf
 
SerenityNigh said:
Like this one? The pilot could be much more aggressive, but you can see the upwind wing stay low throughout touchdown, which is what low wing aircraft tend to avoid to prevent pod strikes.



Compare that to the landing at 1:22 here, which I don't think is all that great
*4:10 is nice though, and that's some squeaky bum wind

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The very same....I was on a flight that day, Belfast I think from memory, and it wasn't fun. Been in worse though Lyon to Amsterdam some years ago.

Do pilots enjoy the inclement conditions? I imagine they secretly do considering the amount of mundane flights they do
 
evertony said:
The very same....I was on a flight that day, Belfast I think from memory, and it wasn't fun. Been in worse though Lyon to Amsterdam some years ago.

Do pilots enjoy the inclement conditions? I imagine they secretly do considering the amount of mundane flights they do
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I think in general, pilots suffer from a high level of confidence in their own abilities. I've met few who didn't think themselves utterly competent to face any challenge, but the difference between a senior pilot and an accident report is often the wisdom or experience to make the less impressive decision and go around/fly to the alternate.

In fewer words, there's a saying that no pilot flies through a thunderstorm twice.
 

SerenityNigh said:
I think in general, pilots suffer from a high level of confidence in their own abilities. I've met few who didn't think themselves utterly competent to face any challenge, but the difference between a senior pilot and an accident report is often the wisdom or experience to make the less impressive decision and go around/fly to the alternate.

In fewer words, there's a saying that no pilot flies through a thunderstorm twice.
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I'm guessing you talk from experience SN....either way enjoying the thread immensely
 

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