Conspiracy theories

[Muggins]

What lies? What haven't i read correctly? Are yous so blinded by your ideology that you don't see what is being reported here? It's a significant Domino-fall which supports conspiracy theories rather than refutes them.

Of course they will attempt some form of damage-control in their follow-up tweets. Is that what you're basing your opinion of?


Again, the official government is now admitting there is such a thing as (relatively) common heavy side-effects. A far cry from the bold claims of its chief that the vaccines are 'free of side-effects':

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This 1-in-5000 per dose is already very high. When we factor in multiple-doses-per-person and that the majority of victims are younger folk (often males aged 12-40) not at risk of hospitalised Covid, then it gets exponentially higher. Then there's all the unreported cases (almost certainly far more than what is reported).

We're actually looking at an estimated 1-in-100 to 1-in-300 chance of someone in the 12-40 age group getting a serious side-effect.

This is in-line with the Charité's findings:

Corona-Impfung: Charité-Forscher fordert Ambulanzen für Impfgeschädigte | MDR.DE

An der Charite in Berlin wird zu Nebenwirkungen nach Corona-Impfungen geforscht. Professor Harald Matthes leitet die Untersuchung und fordert mehr Anlaufstellen für Betroffene.

www.mdr.de

and other journo reports:

Corona-Impfung: 2,5 Millionen Patienten meldeten Nebenwirkungen in Deutschland - WELT

Eine Auswertung der Kassenärztlichen Bundesvereinigung zeigt: 2,5 Millionen Bürger gingen vergangenes Jahr in Deutschland wegen Nebenwirkungen der Corona-Impfung zum Arzt – und damit offenbar deutlich öfter als bei anderen Impfungen.

www.welt.de

The 'conspiracy theory' is: the vaccine-push for younger folk was profit-driven, they were not medically needed and in fact statistically cause more problems than they solve.

Backed up also by many reports of boostered having not-so-mild cases of Covid. As well as official hospital figures which say over 90% of intensive Covid patients are vaccinated.


The evidence in support of this 'conspiracy theory' looks pretty convincing.


The truth will out.

Are you LaMDA?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

What lies? What haven't i read correctly? Are yous so blinded by your ideology that you don't see what is being reported here? It's a significant Domino-fall which supports conspiracy theories rather than refutes them.

Of course they will attempt some form of damage-control in their follow-up tweets. Is that what you're basing your opinion of?


Again, the official government is now admitting there is such a thing as (relatively) common heavy side-effects. A far cry from the bold claims of its chief that the vaccines are 'free of side-effects':

View attachment 174808


This 1-in-5000 per dose is already very high. When we factor in multiple-doses-per-person and that the majority of victims are younger folk (often males aged 12-40) not at risk of hospitalised Covid, then it gets exponentially higher. Then there's all the unreported cases (almost certainly far more than what is reported).

We're actually looking at an estimated 1-in-100 to 1-in-300 chance of someone in the 12-40 age group getting a serious side-effect.

This is in-line with the Charité's findings:

Corona-Impfung: Charité-Forscher fordert Ambulanzen für Impfgeschädigte | MDR.DE

An der Charite in Berlin wird zu Nebenwirkungen nach Corona-Impfungen geforscht. Professor Harald Matthes leitet die Untersuchung und fordert mehr Anlaufstellen für Betroffene.

www.mdr.de

and other journo reports:

Corona-Impfung: 2,5 Millionen Patienten meldeten Nebenwirkungen in Deutschland - WELT

Eine Auswertung der Kassenärztlichen Bundesvereinigung zeigt: 2,5 Millionen Bürger gingen vergangenes Jahr in Deutschland wegen Nebenwirkungen der Corona-Impfung zum Arzt – und damit offenbar deutlich öfter als bei anderen Impfungen.

www.welt.de

The 'conspiracy theory' is: the vaccine-push for younger folk was profit-driven, they were not medically needed and in fact statistically cause more problems than they solve.

Backed up also by many reports of boostered having not-so-mild cases of Covid. As well as official hospital figures which say over 90% of intensive Covid patients are vaccinated.


The evidence in support of this 'conspiracy theory' looks pretty convincing.


The truth will out.

Pass us the horse lotion please mate. Got a cough coming on

 

[magicjuan]

Why are so many of the things he calls cubes, not cubes?! I didn’t read the whole thread but trying to make Jupiter’s hexagonal storm a cube is some wonderful work. His reliance on largely rubbish films is also impressive

For someone called 'Wizard' you're not so much with the hermetic truths and sacred geometry are you ?

 

[verreauxi]

Almost all vaccines produce side-effects, which is proof, of sorts, that they work.

I got a typhoid vaccine when young that put my arm out of commission for 3 days. But in living in a typhoid-heavy country, I never got typhoid.

Vaccines, antibiotics, anesthesia are easily the top three inventions ever.

 

[Amw79]

The subtle misrepresentation here by Holliday, is that

“the government themselves are admitting serious side-effects are statistically relatively common”
and
”the official government is now admitting there is such a thing as (relatively) common heavy side-effects”.

When actually, the tweets are referring to the number of reported side effects, submitted via the German self reporting mechanism, similar to the yellow card system in the UK or the VAERS system in the US.

These systems do not prove causation, so cannot be taken at face value, they are used as hypothesis generators, not conclusion generators.

 

[LostLegend]

Hahaha. It’s absolutely mind-boggling that a cube would be found in so many different religions and contexts. Just crazy. I’m starting to question all sorts of things now, like how many religions know about “circle”?

Great isn't it?

It has all the esoteric interdimensional stuff that the new age crystal fondlers are into, the apocalyptical "the world is a simulation" stuff the tin foil hatters are in to, but he's also a Christian. So the Saturn time cube is not only a sentient, time traveling AI, altering our past and future, but could also be an avatar of satan himself. Meaning he can crowbar satan worshipping cults into his theories as well. All bases covered lol

 

[Wizard]

What lies? What haven't i read correctly? Are yous so blinded by your ideology that you don't see what is being reported here? It's a significant Domino-fall which supports conspiracy theories rather than refutes them.

Of course they will attempt some form of damage-control in their follow-up tweets. Is that what you're basing your opinion of?


Again, the official government is now admitting there is such a thing as (relatively) common heavy side-effects. A far cry from the bold claims of its chief that the vaccines are 'free of side-effects':

View attachment 174808


This 1-in-5000 per dose is already very high. When we factor in multiple-doses-per-person and that the majority of victims are younger folk (often males aged 12-40) not at risk of hospitalised Covid, then it gets exponentially higher. Then there's all the unreported cases (almost certainly far more than what is reported).

We're actually looking at an estimated 1-in-100 to 1-in-300 chance of someone in the 12-40 age group getting a serious side-effect.

This is in-line with the Charité's findings:

Corona-Impfung: Charité-Forscher fordert Ambulanzen für Impfgeschädigte | MDR.DE

An der Charite in Berlin wird zu Nebenwirkungen nach Corona-Impfungen geforscht. Professor Harald Matthes leitet die Untersuchung und fordert mehr Anlaufstellen für Betroffene.

www.mdr.de

and other journo reports:

Corona-Impfung: 2,5 Millionen Patienten meldeten Nebenwirkungen in Deutschland - WELT

Eine Auswertung der Kassenärztlichen Bundesvereinigung zeigt: 2,5 Millionen Bürger gingen vergangenes Jahr in Deutschland wegen Nebenwirkungen der Corona-Impfung zum Arzt – und damit offenbar deutlich öfter als bei anderen Impfungen.

www.welt.de

The 'conspiracy theory' is: the vaccine-push for younger folk was profit-driven, they were not medically needed and in fact statistically cause more problems than they solve.

Backed up also by many reports of boostered having not-so-mild cases of Covid. As well as official hospital figures which say over 90% of intensive Covid patients are vaccinated.


The evidence in support of this 'conspiracy theory' looks pretty convincing.


The truth will out.

The third tweet I posted wasn't "some form of damage control", it was a translation of the tweet you posted yourself. 0.2 per 1000. At the end of one of the articles you posted to seemingly disprove what you posted in the first place it says this. So you've posted something which you have then claimed is backtracking and then posted an article that the editor throws loads of caveats at the end. It's one thing being wrong, but posting evidence to show you are wrong is pretty impressive

 

[The Nature Boy]

Almost all vaccines produce side-effects, which is proof, of sorts, that they work.

I got a typhoid vaccine when young that put my arm out of commission for 3 days. But in living in a typhoid-heavy country, I never got typhoid.

Vaccines, antibiotics, anesthesia are easily the top three inventions ever.

The figure four leglock is the greatest invention ever.

Woooo!

 

[dholliday]

The instincts from some of yous here to protect governments & Big Pharma still surprises me.

Even when those same organisations are increasingly reporting concerning data that the vaccines just don't work very well:

Around 1 in 25 report LONG COVID with Omicron after three vaccines.


Not even a whiff of curiousity that maybe the official line is/was a little dodgy? Maybe the literally millions of side-effect reports worldwide have some validity to them worth considering?

The desire to steadfastly support a particular position, regardless of evidence, is a common hindrance to reaching consensus in debate, but what's new here is that this particular position yous are defending is the Establishment position. Traditionally, the public haven't been very trusting of government and/or Big Pharma (for good reason).



Here's an interesting theory:

 

[Tramps_mate]

Found the thread!!!!




Strap in for this one! ?

What if he's right though! ?

 

[Wizard]

The instincts from some of yous here to protect governments & Big Pharma still surprises me.

Even when those same organisations are increasingly reporting concerning data that the vaccines just don't work very well:

Around 1 in 25 report LONG COVID with Omicron after three vaccines.


Not even a whiff of curiousity that maybe the official line is/was a little dodgy? Maybe the literally millions of side-effect reports worldwide have some validity to them worth considering?

The desire to steadfastly support a particular position, regardless of evidence, is a common hindrance to reaching consensus in debate, but what's new here is that this particular position yous are defending is the Establishment position. Traditionally, the public haven't been very trusting of government and/or Big Pharma (for good reason).



Here's an interesting theory:

Are you going to respond to the fact that you posted something that you then called "damage control" because you didn't read what you posted properly? I'm going to bed now but maybe you will have addressed that by the time I wake up.

 

[dholliday]

Are you going to respond to the fact that you posted something that you then called "damage control" because you didn't read what you posted properly? I'm going to bed now but maybe you will have addressed that by the time I wake up.

There's nothing to say as your argument makes no sense.

Of course when an official body releases info like:

hey that vaccine we told you to take? might have more side-effects than we anticipated.

they'll follow up with damage-limitation like:

but these reports aren't confirmed! and likely will never be confirmed as we don't have the logistical resources to follow-up haha!


Most folk didn't even know about the PEI-Reporting tool. I linked different reports which convincingly argues the actual number of victims will be far higher than the 1-in-5000, especially if limiting to the 12-40 age group.

Anecdotally, i've met people who've had deaths and serious-injuries in their circles after Covid-vaccines. In my own circle a colleague was off-sick for a week after his second jab, then same again after his booster. He got Covid at some point and was again ill for a week, again unable to work. This compares interestingly with the mild cases of Covid many unvaccinated are reporting.

This personal experience is a microcosm of the wider experience out there. The people are becoming less shy to talk about it, certainly less-demonised. And even the official bodies are now releasing related info (a significant Domino-fall).

For some fascinating reason, ideologically-tied leftist/liberal/progressive folk aren't onboard with this trend.


At best, we can say the vaccines are relatively safe & effective for old folk and the at-risk groups. We can fairly argue for Delta-phase they did more good than bad for those risk groups. But the evidence is mounting that for the healthy under-50's the benefits of getting the vaccine don't appear to outweigh the relative risk of side-effects, especially in the dominant Omicron-phase (which has lasted almost a year now).


That is the conspiracy theory...by the end of the year it may well be accepted wisdom. The disclaimers @Wizard and @Amw79 are defending here will seem pretty useless...even dangerous.

 

[Amw79]

There's nothing to say as your argument makes no sense.

Of course when an official body releases info like:

hey that vaccine we told you to take? might have more side-effects than we anticipated.

they'll follow up with damage-limitation like:

but these reports aren't confirmed! and likely will never be confirmed as we don't have the logistical resources to follow-up haha!


Most folk didn't even know about the PEI-Reporting tool. I linked different reports which convincingly argues the actual number of victims will be far higher than the 1-in-5000, especially if limiting to the 12-40 age group.

Anecdotally, i've met people who've had deaths and serious-injuries in their circles after Covid-vaccines. In my own circle a colleague was off-sick for a week after his second jab, then same again after his booster. He got Covid at some point and was again ill for a week, again unable to work. This compares interestingly with the mild cases of Covid many unvaccinated are reporting.

This personal experience is a microcosm of the wider experience out there. The people are becoming less shy to talk about it, certainly less-demonised. And even the official bodies are now releasing related info (a significant Domino-fall).

For some fascinating reason, ideologically-tied leftist/liberal/progressive folk aren't onboard with this trend.


At best, we can say the vaccines are relatively safe & effective for old folk and the at-risk groups. We can fairly argue for Delta-phase they did more good than bad for those risk groups. But the evidence is mounting that for the healthy under-50's the benefits of getting the vaccine don't appear to outweigh the relative risk of side-effects, especially in the dominant Omicron-phase (which has lasted almost a year now).


That is the conspiracy theory...by the end of the year it may well be accepted wisdom. The disclaimers @Wizard and @Amw79 are defending here will seem pretty useless...even dangerous.

I’m not defending anything. I’m pointing out that a) you’ve misrepresented that tweet claiming it says something it doesn’t, b) data from self reporting systems are a poor metric to draw conclusions from. They should be used to form hypothesis, to do further work.

Anyone who points to those systems as proof of side effects is either being deliberately misleading, or doesn't understand them.

 

[verreauxi]

I’m not defending anything. I’m pointing out that a) you’ve misrepresented that tweet claiming it says something it doesn’t, b) data from self reporting systems are a poor metric to draw conclusions from. They should be used to form hypothesis, to do further work.

Anyone who points to those systems as proof of side effects is either being deliberately misleading, or doesn't understand them.

Indeed. I remember the days when people said things like I gave up gluten and my acne, bursitis, and myopia all cleared up. Self-reporting is a major form of ascertainment bias, and usually fails to parse out mild/resolved symptoms from serious ones.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Almost all vaccines produce side-effects, which is proof, of sorts, that they work.

I got a typhoid vaccine when young that put my arm out of commission for 3 days. But in living in a typhoid-heavy country, I never got typhoid.

Vaccines, antibiotics, anesthesia are easily the top three inventions ever.

Interesting to see the differing definitions of serious side effects.