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Corruption or big team bias

ClausThomsen said:
Foreign refs - that most consistent and free of bias or corruption breed of officials the sport has ever seen.

If you genuinely believe that foreign refs are markedly better than those in the UK then you don't watch, listen or read about football outside the UK.
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Not saying they're perfect mate but from what I see from watching Champions League, Europa League, La Liga and Bundesliga... There is far less week to week controversy.

On the flip side, if you think that the refs in the prem are the zenith of officiating then I don't really know what to say.
 
Furey1878 said:
Not saying they're perfect mate but from what I see from watching Champions League, Europa League, La Liga and Bundesliga... There is far less week to week controversy.

On the flip side, if you think that the refs in the prem are the zenith of officiating then I don't really know what to say.
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If you were in another country then you'd be exposed to the same amount of ref scrutiny and crying about it as here and would likely have a different perspective. I really don't think there is a country in the world where fans in general don't think they have problems with ref standards.

We get more week to week controversy because of the relentless drive for media content. And I made no claim of PL refs being the 'zenith'. I pointed out that other leagues have similar controversies where the biggest factor is bed wetters yelling everytime a decision goes against them and buildin conspiracy theories around patterns that don't actually exist.
 
ClausThomsen said:
Teams that spend more time on the ball, more time in and around the opposition penalty area and less time defending in their own box are naturally going to concede less penalties than teams who have less possession, spend more time trying to win the ball and spend more time defending in their own box.

That's one of the absolute basic easy to understand fundamentals of football.

And for the record City, United and Chelsea are all among the the sides to have conceded most penalties this season and are traditionally viewed as Sky6 sides. RS & Arsenal have both only conceded 1 which puts them into the same category as similar big teams Forest, Leicester, Palace and Bournemouth. The only side to not concede a PL penalty so far this season are Newcastle.

In terms of Red Cards Arsenal and Southampton have had the most players sent off with 3. City and the RS have only had one player sent off which again puts them in the same company as us, Newcastle, Spurs, Palace, Chelsea, Wolves, Brighton and Brentford.

Bournemouth and Leicester seem to have had no red cards in the PL this season from what I can see.

I'm not entirely sure how these actual facts tally with your 'fixing' theory. But it does tie in with the theory that fans have clear bias and see only what they want to see and will outright make facts up to justify their claims of conspiracy.

Quick edit on the offside note - You literally saw one go against City in favour of Everton the other day. Haaland's disallowed goal after the penalty.
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It was even closer the Haaland one he was 5 foot offside at least.

I can think of several examples of players like Fernandez of utd not getting off despite repeated fouling, RS players pushing players in the box in both the fa cup against city and the league cup against Chelsea neither was given VVD should have seen red before Pickford killed him.
Robertson another player who should be off most games.
Gordon stonewall pen in the anfield derby. Not given despite an obvious push.

Son getting his red card taken back despite breaking Gomes leg and the out pour of love for the scum bag

Dele Ali hand ball playing for Spurs vs us
 
ClausThomsen said:
Okay similarly then watch Everton v RS at Goodison last season. No yellow cards for Everton and 3 for them. I'm not sure how that equates to relentless bias - or do you only see it when it goes against what you want?

And in the game at their place Ashley Young was terrible for the second yellow and there were a couple of penalty shouts (Keane 'handball' and Patterson on Diaz) where 'such a visible bias' would surely have gone in favour of the RS. We'd have all been screaming for them and shouting relentless bias if it was the other way round in their box.
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Would you like me to go through every single Derby game from about 1984 onwards about decisions against Everton.

Don't you think Konate should have got a 2nd yellow last season? Don't you think Gordon should have had a pen the season before? I'll keep going if you want and you tell me all the decisions that have gone in our favour.
 
Noisy noise annoys said:
Honestly, this is fantasy - do you genuinely believe refs are bought?
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It's not fantasy - its entirely possible and plausible. Obviously a manager or anyone directly obviously related to the club is going to try and buy a ref, the backlash when they come across an honest one would be too great. Quite simply a contact who could pose as a wealthy fan, might try out a ref with a tempting offer. Once that door opens.. ..

All you need is cash and greed.

The entire UK runs on a world class ability to cover up and keep mum.
 

maccavennie said:
Would you like me to go through every single Derby game from about 1984 onwards about decisions against Everton.

Don't you think Konate should have got a 2nd yellow last season? Don't you think Gordon should have had a pen the season before? I'll keep going if you want and you tell me all the decisions that have gone in our favour.
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So every single contentious refereeing decision going back to 1984 is evidence of a conspiracy to put an elite selection of clubs at the top table and keep them there? It doesn't seem to have been overly consistent over the last 40 years.
 
MrGrumpy said:
It was even closer the Haaland one he was 5 foot offside at least.

I can think of several examples of players like Fernandez of utd not getting off despite repeated fouling, RS players pushing players in the box in both the fa cup against city and the league cup against Chelsea neither was given VVD should have seen red before Pickford killed him.
Robertson another player who should be off most games.
Gordon stonewall pen in the anfield derby. Not given despite an obvious push.

Son getting his red card taken back despite breaking Gomes leg and the out pour of love for the scum bag

Dele Ali hand ball playing for Spurs vs us
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Decisions go against every team at times. And every defender for every team gets away with pushes and pulls in the box - it's irritating but not evidence of a deliberate conspiracy benefitting the few.

And as bad as the injury to Gomes was the foul itself was a fairly innocuous trip. Horrific injury of course but the type of freak injury that could come about from somebody losing their balance in a shoulder to shoulder challenge or accidental coming together. These things do happen.

Bit strong to call Son a scumbag - by his reaction I'd say he was genuinely upset about it. Could be argued that a few Evertonians were more concerned about retribution, playing the victim and being seen to be concerned about Gomes rather than having any genuine concern for Gomes.

And the argument that the punishment should fit the injury would seem to indicate that a deliberate over the ball knee high potential leg breaker should only be a red if it actually results in a broken leg.

You still don't seem to have backed up your assertion that certain teams never get red cards or certainly less than other teams? Is this another example of the conspiracy choosing to ignore certain facts once they don't fit?
 
I believe its a bit of everything. Big team bias, corruption (it's everywhere in society, and if they're up to it in the top echelons of FIFA it's rife), also they're not good enough, they don't know how to do the jobs). What was that elbow like in the Brighton game?
 
maccavennie said:
Would you like me to go through every single Derby game from about 1984 onwards about decisions against Everton.

Don't you think Konate should have got a 2nd yellow last season? Don't you think Gordon should have had a pen the season before? I'll keep going if you want and you tell me all the decisions that have gone in our favour.
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Pickford on Van Dyke.........
 

Macker07 said:
I believe its a bit of everything. Big team bias, corruption (it's everywhere in society, and if they're up to it in the top echelons of FIFA it's rife), also they're not good enough, they don't know how to do the jobs). What was that elbow like in the Brighton game?
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So, you think refs are getting bungs? All of them in the prem?
 
Noisy noise annoys said:
If it was corrupt - why let the easiest red ever go?!?! Why save it for controversial decisions?
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Think you need to go back and read my post as I'm talking about the relentless bias where I've got over 40 years of decision after decision after decision to back me up.

Oh and that wasn't the easiest red ever let go, Kuyt still wins that one hands down, or maybe the handball by Hansen on the line, that was a good one too.

If you and claus don't think there's no bias at all, well good for you both and that must be a lovely little bubble to live in
 
"Premier League Productions' brings the masses "entertainment" by the way of "football".

Inherent bias is everywhere, why some believe football is immune to this is constant course of amusement.

"Sport" was omitted for obvious reasons...
 

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