Corruption or big team bias

[Noisy noise annoys]

Think you need to go back and read my post as I'm talking about the relentless bias where I've got over 40 years of decision after decision after decision to back me up.

Oh and that wasn't the easiest red ever let go, Kuyt still wins that one hands down, or maybe the handball by Hansen on the line, that was a good one too.

If you and claus don't think there's no bias at all, well good for you both and that must be a lovely little bubble to live in

I have said all along there is bias, no questions, I am saying there is no corruption

 

[maccavennie]

I have said all along there is bias, no questions, I am saying there is no corruption

Well I was talking about bias.

Though there's no doubt in my mind there's corruption as well.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Well I was talking about bias.

Though there's no doubt in my mind there's corruption as well.

Bias is undoubted, I just can't see actual 'reffs getting paid off' corruption, I really cant.

 

[tonyhorne]

Referees will realise quite quickly which decisions attract the most adverse criticism. They tend not to get too much flack if they give a dodgy decision in favour of Manchester United or Liverpool, for example. If they give a dodgy decision against these teams the media dwell on it for weeks and their earning potential is in real jeopardy.

If in doubt, play it safe. Penalty to Liverpool ...

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Did you see the word "hypothetically" ?

Yes, your hypothesis strengthened his argument.

 

[chrismpw]

Yes, your hypothesis strengthened his argument.

It didn't. He didn't answer the question - he evaded it, otherwise his argument would have fallen apart.

Everyone has their price. I've never cheated at any sport I've ever played - the sporting principal underpins my entire being, and I've often bemoaned how easily pundits justify cheating, but for a good enough price even i would give a dodgy penalty as a ref ... its only a game.

 

[Shevin Keedy]

It didn't. He didn't answer the question - he evaded it, otherwise his argument would have fallen apart.

Yes it did.

 

[Bedfordblue]

, but for a good enough price even i would give a dodgy penalty as a ref ... its only a game.

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[chrismpw]

Yes it did.

Im genuinely struggling to see how any form of logic makes what I said be interpreted the way you are doing it.

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Im genuinely struggling to see how any form of logic makes what I said be interpreted the way you are doing it.

I can see you're struggling, don't worry. Go and read back that which you typed.

 

[chrismpw]

I can see you're struggling, don't worry. Go and read back that which you typed.

Nah ... not arsed enough at this point. Over said my bit, and no amount of our chatter will expose it or solve the problem. I'm turned off football now, because of the very obvious corruption and frankly it's freed to a lot of time and money for better, more rewarding things.

 

[PITA]

I've done my job for a long time and I'm really good at what I do (as I should be).

Football referees have also been through the 'learning process' and should be more than competent. There is, in my view, no reason why 'en masse' they can be accused of being 'grossly incompetent' unless there is something else at play. Especially given that you don't hear fans of rugby, cricket, snooker, et al accusing officials of the same thing.

Just listen to ex-referee Dermot Gallagher. A push in the back against a 'Sky darling team' in the penalty box is, without any discussion, a penalty. If it's not a 'Sky darling team' it is 'a coming together' or 'it is the referee using his common sense' or 'we don't want to see penalties given for that' or 'there wasn't enough pressure on the back'.

Doctors are not accused of being 'en masse' 'grossly incompetent'. Likewise; lawyers, accountants, dentists, truck drivers, taxi drivers, shop workers, mechanics, etc.

I just think that it's all a bit wrong and is killing the game we love.

And there you go again, MacAllister drags Soler to the ground in the box and the responses are: (1) VAR 'there is not enough contact' and (2) Alan Smith, Sky puppet, 'VAR is reluctant to get involved because there is so much of it going on these days'. And oh, BTW, let's deflect to the RS's bigger concern 'Gomes got slightly touched so might miss 5 minutes of training tomorrow'. For once @davek is spot on, they are being airlifted to the title.

 

[PITA]

I do not doubt that it may be in some countries (South America and Asia spring to mind for match fixing) but, these are high-level, highly scrutinised refs in the biggest league in the world - if they were being got at - it would come out by now.

You've convinced me.

A bit like money laundering and inside dealing, it only happens overseas.

 

[PITA]

Teams that spend more time on the ball, more time in and around the opposition penalty area and less time defending in their own box are naturally going to concede less penalties than teams who have less possession, spend more time trying to win the ball and spend more time defending in their own box.

That's one of the absolute basic easy to understand fundamentals of football.

And for the record City, United and Chelsea are all among the the sides to have conceded most penalties this season and are traditionally viewed as Sky6 sides. RS & Arsenal have both only conceded 1 which puts them into the same category as similar big teams Forest, Leicester, Palace and Bournemouth. The only side to not concede a PL penalty so far this season are Newcastle.

In terms of Red Cards Arsenal and Southampton have had the most players sent off with 3. City and the RS have only had one player sent off which again puts them in the same company as us, Newcastle, Spurs, Palace, Chelsea, Wolves, Brighton and Brentford.

Bournemouth and Leicester seem to have had no red cards in the PL this season from what I can see.

I'm not entirely sure how these actual facts tally with your 'fixing' theory. But it does tie in with the theory that fans have clear bias and see only what they want to see and will outright make facts up to justify their claims of conspiracy.

Quick edit on the offside note - You literally saw one go against City in favour of Everton the other day. Haaland's disallowed goal after the penalty.

Since he was quite clearly offside I'm not sure that this a good example.

 

[ClausThomsen]

Since he was quite clearly offside I'm not sure that this a good example.

I'd imagine statistically the 'close' offside decisions are pretty non-conclusive given that the red card and penalties argument was utter nonsense when the facts were actually looked at.