David Moyes - Taking a knife to a gunfight at West Ham, Part 2

[JobForTheMoyes]

You are joking arent yer.

He single handedly turned the view of our club in the media and fans alike from a sleeping giant and one of the traditional big 5, to a small club punching above their weight who took knives to gun fights and had hit a glass ceiling at 5th. He did this in an act of shameless self promotion. And its stuck. He did nothing and is loved.

I cant stand Moyes. Ive got more respect for Walter Smith

Are you for real?!

 

[wandyr79]

You are joking arent yer.

He single handedly turned the view of our club in the media and fans alike from a sleeping giant and one of the traditional big 5, to a small club punching above their weight who took knives to gun fights and had hit a glass ceiling at 5th. He did this in an act of shameless self promotion. And its stuck. He did nothing and is loved.

I cant stand Moyes. Ive got more respect for Walter Smith

What the actual?

Please tell us that you are joking.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

You are joking arent yer.

He single handedly turned the view of our club in the media and fans alike from a sleeping giant and one of the traditional big 5, to a small club punching above their weight who took knives to gun fights and had hit a glass ceiling at 5th. He did this in an act of shameless self promotion. And its stuck. He did nothing and is loved.

I cant stand Moyes. Ive got more respect for Walter Smith

Bit disingenuous that lol I wasn't his biggest fan myself, but to respect Smith more?? crikey!

 

[EFC78]

You are joking arent yer.

He single handedly turned the view of our club in the media and fans alike from a sleeping giant and one of the traditional big 5, to a small club punching above their weight who took knives to gun fights

Not the 2 final day escapes in 94 and 98, or the regular bottom half finishes with about 42-45 points before he arrived?

Moyes was great for Everton. Turned us around from being a laughing stock, finishing 13th to 17th, to 5th-8th, getting 15+ more points per season, and even had us 4th one year.

Had his limitations which West Ham will probably see as well, but overall a very good manager at getting the most out of more limited players.

Other than 13-14 and 16-17, and possibly this season (playing much worse football) we've been no where near the Moyes era.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Bit disingenuous that lol I wasn't his biggest fan myself, but to respect Smith more?? crikey!

Kind of right in what he is saying, when we hired Smith we were only 3 years from our last trophy and 11 from our last league title. We were still talked about as a big club despite the problems. Moyes' narrative was always to play it as low key and in one way with the cash we had it's not like he was wrong but he was the top man in trying to lower expectations.

Moyes was a better manager for us and what we needed at the time, but he could have done that and talked us back up once we had a decent team around 2007. He was always happy to put us as underdogs and that's partly why we went decades not winning at places as we were happy trying to contain and sneak a draw.

 

[davids]

I watched it, and saw us 2006-2009 there.

He does all the right things, then bottles it, and gets away with it cause he overachieved.

Bring out a winning mentality.

Great result.

Think the willing mentality is a player thing. Ancelotti sets up to defend and nick something on the break or from a dead ball situation,yet no shouts of knives to gunfights.

 

[peteblue]

You are joking arent yer.

He single handedly turned the view of our club in the media and fans alike from a sleeping giant and one of the traditional big 5, to a small club punching above their weight who took knives to gun fights and had hit a glass ceiling at 5th. He did this in an act of shameless self promotion. And its stuck. He did nothing and is loved.

I cant stand Moyes. Ive got more respect for Walter Smith

He stabbed us in the back with that knife of his, but he had a win% of 42 versus 28 for Walter Smith.....

 

[barneygumble]

Think the willing mentality is a player thing. Ancelotti sets up to defend and nick something on the break or from a dead ball situation,yet no shouts of knives to gunfights.

As the poster below mentioned.

He basically turned the ethos of this club on its head, almost made it feel like it was a privilege to be in the top flight let alone pushing for Europe.

The "knives to a gunfight,", "Lucky to get out there alive", summed him up, When the big occasion came, Davey got going. It set in with the fans too, fans think we're "little old everton".

Ancelotti bringing "knives to a gunfight", i assume include Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs and United too? Which we've taken 10 points from this season. Ancelotti did in 1 year, what Moyes failed to in 11... Win at the bigger sides.

MOyes, gets credit in some areas, but if you're openly admitting small minded philosophies, over the years your players will only ever see that. Terrified of Anfield cause your manager is, is probably why it took us 20 years to win there.

 

[Yarrgh]

There was a part 1 to this thread?!? My memory is goosed.

 

[EFC78]

There is a bizarre reframing of history regarding the pre Moyes 1990s era among a section of our fanbase.

I don't understand it.

 

[EFC78]

As the poster below mentioned.

He basically turned the ethos of this club on its head, almost made it feel like it was a privilege to be in the top flight let alone pushing for Europe.

The "knives to a gunfight,", "Lucky to get out there alive", summed him up, When the big occasion came, Davey got going. It set in with the fans too, fans think we're "little old everton".

Ancelotti bringing "knives to a gunfight", i assume include Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs and United too? Which we've taken 10 points from this season. Ancelotti did in 1 year, what Moyes failed to in 11... Win at the bigger sides.

MOyes, gets credit in some areas, but if you're openly admitting small minded philosophies, over the years your players will only ever see that. Terrified of Anfield cause your manager is, is probably why it took us 20 years to win there.

The club and playing squads throughout the 1990s made Everton look small time and small minded (obviously excluding the Cup win, but no point in deluding ourselves that we were a great side back then). Final day survivals and finishing around 15th year upon year weakened the perception of the club far more than Moyes ever did.

 

[maccavennie]

There is a bizarre reframing of history regarding the pre Moyes 1990s era among a section of our fanbase.

I don't understand it.

What you on about? The 6 league titles, 4 fa cups, 3 CL, 2 league cups and 5 charity shields under Walter Smith, Mike Walker and Royle ( though obviously Royle only won us the FA Cup) were some of the beat days of my life.

The football we played was superb. I can see it now "Mitch Ward wirh a lovely infield pass to Hutchinson, Hutchinson sprays it wide to Oster, Oster looks up to see who is showing for it and its that talisman Stephen Hughes who backheels it Danny Willianson. Williamson with an eye of a needle through ball to John Spencer who rounds the keeper and squares it to Barlow......unfortunately Barlow git a little over excited again and strayed 4 yards offside"

 

[peteblue]

The club and playing squads throughout the 1990s made Everton look small time and small minded (obviously excluding the Cup win, but no point in deluding ourselves that we were a great side back then). Final day survivals and finishing around 15th year upon year weakened the perception of the club far more than Moyes ever did.

We had poor owners, in more ways than one....

 

[EFC78]

We had poor owners, in more ways than one....

Fair point but we had a poor owner financially in Kenwright throughout Moyes' time and yet he got us 4th, 5th 2-3 times, 6th about 3 times.

I'll have a look but I'm sure before Moshiri came in we had the 18th richest owner in the league. Maybe he was like 15th during the Moyes era but Moyes still did extremely well given our financial constraints.

 

[witchdoc187]

You are joking arent yer.

He single handedly turned the view of our club in the media and fans alike from a sleeping giant and one of the traditional big 5, to a small club punching above their weight who took knives to gun fights and had hit a glass ceiling at 5th. He did this in an act of shameless self promotion. And its stuck. He did nothing and is loved.

I cant stand Moyes. Ive got more respect for Walter Smith

I couldn't disagree with this more tbh.