Install the app
How to install the app on iOS

Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.

Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.

2024/25 David Moyes

Don't you think Moyes was just a "he'll do for now" type appointment because Dyche jibbed it?

Interesting question, but I don't think so. They would have gone a different path, if they brought Dyche over the line till the end of the season in summer what was probably their plan initially.

Surely not a Allardyce, Pulis, Dyche type of appointment, despite at first he has to secure survival.

They chose a solution that is pretty much calculable, you know what you get usually when bring in.
 
Last edited:
The thought i had/have was, had Dyche been able to keep us comfortably afloat in the league with TFG still not looking to keep hold of him, would they have looked for Moyes come the summer as Dyche's successor?
I dont believe so, personally
Probably not
But they and us may well be happy with him by then
If not, then they will have more options in the summer
 
The thought i had/have was, had Dyche been able to keep us comfortably afloat in the league with TFG still not looking to keep hold of him, would they have looked for Moyes come the summer as Dyche's successor?
I dont believe so, personally
I feel that’s a big no way. I think if we were comfortably mid-table right now and with players coming back from injury, TFG were probably scouting and discussing from January all through the end of the season for the next manager. And Moyes’ name might have been introduced and then quickly moved away from if they were thinking long-term.
 
Now that the dust has settled, i think its important to take an objective look at why we appointed Moyes and holistically what it means to the club.

As regards the selection I think we were caught between competing needs of survival/stabilisation and progress if im honest. There are also other variables like availability without compo, working knowledge, experience of our current position etc. He just ticked an awful lot of logical boxes in terms of competency and in fact bang on what we needed. I said so many times over the last fer months id be really surprised if its wasn't Moyes, because given the skill set we need and competencies he's the perfect bridge for right now and the future.

What the club needs right now is survival, what ever we did in the last two seasons and it was nothing short of miraculous, the balance in the squad is off, we have one of the best defiance's in Europe and the worst attack. This conundrum need to be problem solved, is it possible more can be coached, is it possible the balance can be struck. Its something Moyes has done before. Thats the most immediate need and i think hes going to do it - its likely not going to be pretty and i think the next few months are the worst we are going to be.

What we have done in appointing Moyes, is more though. He has skills in terms of building football teams worth 100s of millions of football talent, bring those teams to European competition and higher PL placement. Lets be frank at the moment we are the poster boys off how not to build football teams, invested big, bought poorly, dragged us down the league and are a laughing stock of the footballing world - you go on different teams forums and they call us a turd that just wont flush. Our reputation is in tatters. That is borne out with players like Philogebe this week picking Ipswich over us - Ipwsich Town! Moyes took us over in this situation before he brought young talent in and turned many of them into international players commanding fees cumulatively worth 100s of millions to the club, did it again and again. But that was 10- 20 years ago? Hes done the exact same thing in his last job at WHU, brought them from relegation candidates to Europe and made them 100s of millions as a football club.

Simply put Moyes is going to recover this club. There are two sources of revenue. What you make yourself and what you can generate in player sales. Our current turnover is about £190 mill on a good year, yet this is eaten by high costs - this is finishing very shortly. Beyond June 25, we can expect an annual revenue of about £250 mill approx , that puts is a bracket with WHU, Newcastle, Aston Villa - who have to be our aim to compete with by the end of this cycle. Secondly with the added revenue created by cost saving in June and increased revenue - who do you trust to pick players who you can buy low, improve, appreciate, contribute and ultimately realize a significant profit on (being unwilling sellers) - contribute and increase revenue by bringing the club up the league and possibly Europe - its Moyes.

So in essence TFG have chosen him i would argue based on the above skills, competency and ability to manage the club now but also to manage whatever investment they will make in the playing squad in the coming years and overall increase the value of the club. They are backing him to raise all boats holistically at the club.

Which brings us to a judgment on the TFG, i think this is such a quick and clever decision and im really impressed with it, from an entirely holistic point of view including playing and business ive been saying for months now that id be surprised if it wasnt Moyes, hes absolutely the most logical choice for what we need, they've seen that almost immediately and that's impressive, they have this spot on if i was protecting a £600 mill pound investment and wanted to grow that investment and needed to trust someone to do all that i mention above, Moyes is a no brainer.

From their point of view Football investment in generally about a 10 year minimum financial investment before looking for a return, could TFG look at the first 2.5 year of this investment cycle being stabilisation and growth - absolutely, the job of work now is above and raising all boats. If they and Moyes achieve that over this cycle its a job well done and we consign this horrific time in our history to the skip.

Honestly when i weigh everything up i find it hard logically for it hard not to think that is the best decision we could have made. Im not saying there wont be bumps in the road, the next few months will be the lowest we will be. But i definitely have feeling with this decision and what it means holistically for the club that we've jus picked ourselves off rock bottom.

This is just about recovering the football team, this is about recovering the club holistically over a period of time, we have the right man. ;)

I'll add something to that mate.

Moyes is the one manager you can guarantee will REALLY push the last season at Goodison and the first at BMD as unique moments that need to be embraced, up till now the final season has gone almost like an afterthought - I think A LOT of the historic importance of it will be drilled into people by Moyes.
 

This wouldn’t have been their plan but they are in it for the long game so if Moyes keeps the team up and we stay mid table for two seasons then they have the stability and tv revenue to keep their investment safe while sorting the commercial deals and can arrange their long term vision and manager. It’s probably just delayed their plans a bit but they won’t care as long as we stay up.
 
I'll add something to that mate.

Moyes is the one manager you can guarantee will REALLY push the last season at Goodison and the first at BMD as unique moments that need to be embraced, up till now the final season has gone almost like an afterthought - I think A LOT of the historic importance of it will be drilled into people by Moyes.
Great.
It was one of my major gripes with Dyche and it blew my mind when the fella who never made excuses started blaming the pressure of the last season at Goodison.
Throw in the club with their crap sponsor and crap klt maker.
There's not a lot of time to turn it around and honor the old lady, lets hope they do.
Villa have done more to honor a less significant milestone in one game.
 

The thought i had/have was, had Dyche been able to keep us comfortably afloat in the league with TFG still not looking to keep hold of him, would they have looked for Moyes come the summer as Dyche's successor?
I dont believe so, personally
Nothing to suggest that they wouldn't replace him in the summer should their 'preferred choice' become available. They aren't afraid to wield the axe this lot.
 
Great.
It was one of my major gripes with Dyche and it blew my mind when the fella who never made excuses started blaming the pressure of the last season at Goodison.
Throw in the club with their crap sponsor and crap klt maker.
There's not a lot of time to turn it around and honor the old lady, lets hope they do.
Villa have done more to honor a less significant milestone in one game.

Yeah every single Goodison game this season imo the players should have had it drilled into them the importance of the last ever time playing the opponent at this ground and the pride in winning that game as it'll be in the history books.

It's why frankly I never saw Dyche as a good motivator, he had this seasons home games on a plate in terms of getting the players and fans up for all 19 and he just moaned about pressure as an excuse instead - turning it into a negative rather than huge positive.
 

Welcome

Join Grand Old Team to get involved in the Everton discussion. Signing up is quick, easy, and completely free.

Back
Top