2024/25 David Moyes

[Drico]

I cant believe he's described his first time here as 'successful'.

That underlines what we always knew about him: he just doesn't get Everton.

Winning zero trophies is not success. It might be to him but it isn't to Evertonians.

No matter how many times we hear the old 'Oh Davie Moyes' song this season (hopefully a lot as it'll mean we're doing ok), this feller will never ever be one of us. He's inauthentic and always will be. An outsider who will remain an outsider.

I agree with the sentiment of your post - about standards. But, to be fair, if equating not winning pots to success makes Moyes "not one of us" or inauthentic, then a lot of our fanbase - particularly the younger ones - are similarly guilty of that crime.

That's through no fault of theirs. It's the result of Kenwright Culture - the 30 years of managed decline that equates plucky survival, sentimentality, and nostalgia with Evertonianism. And it's why an uncomfortable amount of fans have celebrated the return of the Moyesiah.

Until that culture is purged, we are doomed to plucky mediocrity. "But it's better than Dyche!" I hear them counter. Of course - but that's not the bar by which our future should be measured. We should be measuring against the 1980s, 1960s, and 1930s. When we were kings.

 

[The Binman]

I cant believe he's described his first time here as 'successful'.

That underlines what we always knew about him: he just doesn't get Everton.

Winning zero trophies is not success. It might be to him but it isn't to Evertonians.

No matter how many times we hear the old 'Oh Davie Moyes' song this season (hopefully a lot as it'll mean we're doing ok), this feller will never ever be one of us. He's inauthentic and always will be. An outsider who will remain an outsider.

In relative terms it could be seen as a success, depends on your barometer i guess. From the mess he inherited, to what he left us with, someone else posted somewhere else about the nr of players bought, spend and so on in comparative terms to other teams in the same period which only highlights it even more.

No, he didn't win a trophy, he came close, but from what he inherited to what he left, were almost worlds apart. To see you scoff at this and blithely almost dismiss it is frankly ridiculous.

Whatever you think of him and supposed glass ceilings etc. he left us in a good position. We then appointed an imbecile and it quickly descended into a mess, not helped by owners, interference and a total lack of understanding how to run a football club.

 

[Bluewolf]

Well, proven right is here nor there. I want him to prove me very wrong.

However, he is here to get better results than Dyche. If he loses the first two home games, the alarm bells will be shrieking: any rationale for removing Dyche and replacing him with Moyes will immediately be diminished as he begins to run out of matches to keep us up.

He can unite the fanbase with results. I don't expect miracles - but he needs to provide some form of new manager bounce. Losing the first two would be disastrous.

Even though their against two very good teams?

Villa are 4pts off CL and spurs are having a mad season where they beat city, liverpool, united and villa but loose to palace, Ipswich and wolves.

Think people need to use their brains a bit on this one. We have 3 very difficult games coming up but the results of those games wont define our season.

 

[Ruairi77]

I think the good thing about the Moyes appointment is that almost all our first team players are players I wouldnt see moyes turning his nose up at.
Maybe Pickfords antics might irc him a bit but Pickford is so good, Moyes would have to get over that.
If you told me in an alternate world all those players were Moyse signings, I wouldn't be surprised.
I think the likes of Mangala will do very well under him, same with Garner and possibly Patterson.

 

[Bigduke1234]

In relative terms it could be seen as a success, depends on your barometer i guess. From the mess he inherited, to what he left us with, someone else posted somewhere else about the nr of players bought, spend and so on in comparative terms to other teams in the same period which only highlights it even more.

No, he didn't win a trophy, he came close, but from what he inherited to what he left, were almost worlds apart. To see you scoff at this and blithely almost dismiss it is frankly ridiculous.

Whatever you think of him and supposed glass ceilings etc. he left us in a good position. We then appointed an imbecile and it quickly descended into a mess, not helped by owners, interference and a total lack of understanding how to run a football club.

Fully agree. A fee on here defended dyche and claimed that 17th was success but now we turn our nose up at moyes’ record? Laughable hypocrisy

 

[MaximusEvertonius]

I see Patto getting a lot more time. And if Moyes watched the Peterborough match, maybe O’Brien, too. Two tall guys like JOB and Branners pressing would be a tough tactic to defend.

 

[brian labone]

In relative terms it could be seen as a success, depends on your barometer i guess. From the mess he inherited, to what he left us with, someone else posted somewhere else about the nr of players bought, spend and so on in comparative terms to other teams in the same period which only highlights it even more.

No, he didn't win a trophy, he came close, but from what he inherited to what he left, were almost worlds apart. To see you scoff at this and blithely almost dismiss it is frankly ridiculous.

Whatever you think of him and supposed glass ceilings etc. he left us in a good position. We then appointed an imbecile and it quickly descended into a mess, not helped by owners, interference and a total lack of understanding how to run a football club.

Surely the winning of trophies is proof of success, not because he thinks he's been successful, remind me how many he won?

 

[The Binman]

Surely the winning of trophies is proof of success, not because he thinks he's been successful, remind me how many he won?

I think i was quite clear

 

[carolinablue232]

Steady. He almost relegated us in his first full season first time round.

We need a 21st century manager for our 21st century stadium; but these divvies have lumbered us with an analogue manager.

You’ve spent the last month backing a caveman.

 

[Drico]

Even though their against two very good teams?

Villa are 4pts off CL and spurs are having a mad season where they beat city, liverpool, united and villa but loose to palace, Ipswich and wolves.

Think people need to use their brains a bit on this one. We have 3 very difficult games coming up but the results of those games wont define our season.

Spurs are not a very good team. They are a mid-table side being managed by a walking ideologue soon for the sack. Moyes is here to improve on his predecessor. We cannot afford any more "expected defeats". Every game from here on in will help define our season. We threw away too many points in the first 10 matches to have the luxury of picking and choosing our games to target.

 

[James Patrick]

I agree with the sentiment of your post - about standards. But, to be fair, if equating not winning pots to success makes Moyes "not one of us" or inauthentic, then a lot of our fanbase - particularly the younger ones - are similarly guilty of that crime.

That's through no fault of theirs. It's the result of Kenwright Culture - the 30 years of managed decline that equates plucky survival, sentimentality, and nostalgia with Evertonianism. And it's why an uncomfortable amount of fans have celebrated the return of the Moyesiah.

Until that culture is purged, we are doomed to plucky mediocrity. "But it's better than Dyche!" I hear them counter. Of course - but that's not the bar by which our future should be measured. We should be measuring against the 1980s, 1960s, and 1930s. When we were kings.

What about the 40s & 50s ?
Average position 17th.

 

[Drico]

What about the 40s & 50s ?
Average position 17th.

That's what Sean Dyche was honouring.

 

[Toffeepot]

I cant believe he's described his first time here as 'successful'.

That underlines what we always knew about him: he just doesn't get Everton.

Winning zero trophies is not success. It might be to him but it isn't to Evertonians.

No matter how many times we hear the old 'Oh Davie Moyes' song this season (hopefully a lot as it'll mean we're doing ok), this feller will never ever be one of us. He's inauthentic and always will be. An outsider who will remain an outsider.

You wanted us to keep Dyche
Not sure you can judge if tea is hot or cold at this stage

 

[Jimishorts]

GOTception

 

[MaximusEvertonius]

I agree about the Spurs. Not in good form at all. Mostly recent historical name recognition making us think they’re more than they are at the moment.