David Moyes

[BoysInBlue]

Why should the two be mutually exclusive?

Why can a team not have "10 years in the EPL" as well as win a trophy?

Especially a club like Everton which has only spent a total of four years outside the EPL, or its forebear the Firat Division, ever since league football started in this country back in the reign of Queen Victoria, picking up the odd pot or three along the way.

Particulary as EFC managed to stay in the EPL and win the F.A. Cup in the ten years period before the one you refer too?

What earthly reason is there why Everton couldn't have overcome, at home, a team about to be relegated from the EPL and then see off a team which narrowly avoided relegation frpo the Championship to reach Wembley this year whilst maintaining the 6th place we have occupied this past couple months?

There is none.

There isn't even an unearthly reason.

The lowering of expectatio and the airbrushing of Everton history before Moyes is gthe dark side of the legacy he has left the club.

Younger Evertonians in particular (and I am not making an assumption that you yourself are young) seem to have lost all confidence in the club's ability to survive without Moyes.

Davek elucidated this very point in an earlier post.

This post illustrates perfectly why our club neededrid of Moyes....too many people had bought into the myth that he had become Everton FC.

You know what?

He hadn't.

Whilst I wouldn't go as far as saying the club 'needed rid of Moyes', the general points you make are spot on.

There is nothing 'RAWK' or deluded about recognising Everton Football Club has a grand history, and should be ambitious. Just because the owner is an absolute imbecile who I have no earthly idea how he's been a success in the theatre business because he hasn't a clue when it comes to running a football club. The ability to 'act bullish/ruthless' appears alien to him, as does any sort of business sense. He seems to rely on emotional bluster, not so much as a clever tactic to get his enemiies to underestimate him like Boris Johnson, but because he really is that way. What you see is what you get with Kenwright, and my word is that scary when he's the majority owner of our club.

The lowering of expectations, the punching above our weight label, all irritating beyond belief.

 

[Goat]

A sense of realism is all I ask, im aware of our history, but our history doesnt play football in 2013.

First Division

Champions: (9) – 1890–91, 1914–15, 1927–28, 1931–32, 1938–39, 1962–63, 1969–70, 1984–85, 1986–87
Runners-up: (7) – 1889–90, 1894–95, 1901–02, 1904–05, 1908–09, 1911–12, 1985–86

Second Division

Champions: (1) – 1930–31
Runners-up: (1) – 1953–54

FA Cup

Winners: (5) – 1906, 1933, 1966, 1984, 1995
Runners-up: (8) – 1893, 1897, 1907, 1968, 1985, 1986, 1989, 2009

Football League Cup

Runners-up: (2) – 1977, 1984



Take a long hard look at those numbers, note the lack of 20 in them all, bar 1, just a sense of realism, as I say.

 

[dholliday]

Take a long hard look at those numbers, note the lack of 20 in them all, bar 1, just a sense of realism, as I say.

Agreed. We could do with your input on our beloved Reality Check thread :hay:

 

[Khalekan]

Take a long hard look at those numbers, note the lack of 20 in them all, bar 1, just a sense of realism, as I say.

And whom did we have in charge for the bulk of the "20" thus far?

You got it in one, sir.

You have sawed off the branch upon which you were perched.

Whilst you're here.

Maybe you could explain why EFC finishing 6th in the season just finished precluded us from advancing to the F.A. Cup Final at the expense of two teams which will be playing in the division below us next term.

And maybe won the bally thing once we reached the Final

 

[dholliday]

Maybe you could explain why EFC finishing 6th in the season just finished precluded us from advancing to the F.A. Cup Final at the expense of two teams which will be playing in the division below us next term.

ääähm...say again?

 

[Goat]

And whom did we have in charge for the bulk of the "20" thus far?

You got it in one, sir.

You have sawed off the branch upon which you were perched.

Whilst you're here.

Maybe you could explain why EFC finishing 6th in the season just finished precluded us from advancing to the F.A. Cup Final at the expense of two teams which will be playing in the division below us next term.

And maybe won the bally thing once we reached the Final

Im not sure of your point, any Club at any time can win a Trophy, Swansea and Wigan have won the cups this Season, neither team is good, neither Manager is anything other than tosh, they got lucky.

Would Everton have won a Cup in the last 11 Years if Moyes wasnt here? Would Everton currently be playing League One football if Moyes hadnt have came? Will Everton win anything again?

Nobody can answer those questions, but if we do win a trophy, it wont be cos we are Everton Football Club, 9 times League Champions, it will be because all the pieces fell into place at the right time.

My post wasnt in defence of Moyes, hes yesterdays news, hes gone, my post was to highlight the sheer arrogance of demanding that we win trophys cos of who we are, who we were, not what we have become.

 

[TX Bill]

Whilst he may not have made everton, we certainly wouldn't be in the better, healthier position we are in now if it wasnt for him.

That statement is impossible to prove.

...as it is impossible to disprove.

I'd say it's a fair statement overall when you look at where we were and where we were headed before he took over.

 

[Khalekan]

Im not sure of your point, any Club at any time can win a Trophy, Swansea and Wigan have won the cups this Season, neither team is good, neither Manager is anything other than tosh, they got lucky.

Oh I think you understand my point perfectly.

It's just you haven't the grace to admit you have no answer to the question nor the wit to just keep quiet in the absence of one.

And I'll repeat the question....rhetorical as it is.

Why should the fact that Everton have finished in the top half of the table most seasons in the past decade have precluded the club winning a trophy during that time......especially this season when the two teams which barred our way to the F.A. Cup Final will be in the league below us next season?

i.e. they weren't very good teams (which you acknowledge in the case of Wigan).

The answer of course is that there is no reason, good or otherwise.

(that'll save you having to dodge the question......again)

 

[Christiffa25]

Oh I think you understand my point perfectly.

It's just you haven't the grace to admit you have no answer to the question nor the wit to just keep quiet in the absence of one.

And I'll repeat the question....rhetorical as it is.

Why should the fact that Everton have finished in the top half of the table most seasons in the past decade have precluded the club winning a trophy during that time......especially this season when the two teams which barred our way to the F.A. Cup Final will be in the league below us next season?

i.e. they weren't very good teams (which you acknowledge in the case of Wigan).

The answer of course is that there is no reason, good or otherwise.

(that'll save you having to dodge the question......again)

Unbelievable load of tosh you write!

He's clearly not saying because we finished 6th or whatever over the years we can't have won a FA cup too. He's saying as proved by Wigan and Portsmouth ONLY in the last 10 yrs or so...it doesn't matter where you are in the league IF everything falls into place (which doesn't happen often to teams outside big 4) you can win the FA cup...BUT it's not because of your Name or history or because as a club you used to win things, so should again...it's because everything falls into place in a era when there is at least 4 teams sufficiently better than everyone else that it is very rare one of those don't win it!!!

Are you that naive or deluded to not understand a result like Wigan Can happen and does happen to better teams than us...

If all results went how they should even 50% of the time I'd be rich in football coupon wins...yet somehow I'm not!!!

Just a look at the records for fa cup winners over the last 10yrs or so shows how hard it is to win it outside the top4 teams.

 

[D410]

We will be able to measure Moyes contribution and his ability to keep players at the club when the new manager comes in to the club.

Heard Bill gave Moyes a gold watch for his services to the club.

 

[banno]

Oh I think you understand my point perfectly.

It's just you haven't the grace to admit you have no answer to the question nor the wit to just keep quiet in the absence of one.

And I'll repeat the question....rhetorical as it is.

Why should the fact that Everton have finished in the top half of the table most seasons in the past decade have precluded the club winning a trophy during that time......especially this season when the two teams which barred our way to the F.A. Cup Final will be in the league below us next season?

i.e. they weren't very good teams (which you acknowledge in the case of Wigan).

The answer of course is that there is no reason, good or otherwise.

(that'll save you having to dodge the question......again)

I'm pulling up a chair. Feel this is going to get juicy. Latest odds Moats Goat 2/5. Khalekan 5/1

 

[bignev23]

Has Ginger Bol*ocks cleared his stuff yet, its a joke....really. Seems as though he's now workin for them. GTF.

 

[davek]

 

[Goat]

Oh I think you understand my point perfectly.

It's just you haven't the grace to admit you have no answer to the question nor the wit to just keep quiet in the absence of one.

And I'll repeat the question....rhetorical as it is.

Why should the fact that Everton have finished in the top half of the table most seasons in the past decade have precluded the club winning a trophy during that time......especially this season when the two teams which barred our way to the F.A. Cup Final will be in the league below us next season?

i.e. they weren't very good teams (which you acknowledge in the case of Wigan).

The answer of course is that there is no reason, good or otherwise.

(that'll save you having to dodge the question......again)

Read the info minge, I clearly stated theres no reason we havent won a cup, if you want the reason, its quite simple, we have lost games, LOTS of games we should have won, if you get knocked out of the Cup, you dont win the Cup.

DUH

 

[Khalekan]

Unbelievable load of tosh you write!

Just a look at the records for fa cup winners over the last 10yrs or so shows how hard it is to win it outside the top4 teams.

So you're another one whom can't give any valid reason why finishing 6th or thereabouts in the league means that we just give up on the Cups?

That it is either or?

You can't have both?

This despite Wigan and Millwall being the clubs barring our way to the F.A. Cup Final.

And you have a cheek to say I post "tosh"?

Seems to me you are a bit of an authority on "tosh" though, to be fair.

Now.....let me offer you a bit of advice.

Try and read the posts in a thread before butting in and making a fool of yourself.

I was responding to this post from a whole nother poster before that Mout fellow and your good self started getting all defensive about your lost idol.

This, Moyes was a great manager for us, not winning a trophy was a disappointment, but no way in hell his done a bad job. Sadly in this day and age football isn't all about winning trophies anymore and i personally prefer having 10 years of EPL football then winning a cup

If you had taken the time to appraise yourself of what was beibg discussed, you might have notices this chap make the assertion that he would rather have "10 years in the EPL than winning a Cup".

To which I replied, quite correctly I would have thought, that the two things aren't mutually exclusive.

And unless I fell asleep the other night and woke up in Bizarro World, they are not mutually exclusive.

OK?

Good.

Hope this helps.