David Moyes

[kenada_blue]

precisely

A few wanted him out 2 weeks ago, so why the fume now that he's gone over early after the season as finished?

 

[davek]

So he hasn't cared since 2009 and just sat back and took the money without trying? Is that roughly what your saying here?

No, I'm saying from 2009 he brought everything to bear to consolidate; and if that meant hunkering down for a respectable finish by using 14/15 trusted first teamers and denying others chances for game time and putting up without a fight a firesale as long as his core staff were untouched, then that's what he would do.

He became an ambition-less bureaucrat, content to see out a contract and not chance anything that might jeapordise his tilt at a top job.

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

We are entitled to be way ahead of those teams in terms of stability and income.

We are entitled to nothing...expectation is a different thing.

 

[orchard]

No, I'm saying from 2009 he brought everything to bear to consolidate; and if that meant hunkering down for a respectable finish by using 14/15 trusted first teamers and denying others chances for game time and putting up without a fight a firesale as long as his core staff were untouched, then that's what he would do.

He became an ambition-less bureaucrat, content to see out a contract and not chance anything that might jeapordise his tilt at a top job.

That's a good summary, he stopped experimenting and learning from some of his mistakes here too.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

That's a good summary, he stopped experimenting and learning from some of his mistakes here too.

Our style of play dramatically improved in the latter years of his tenure, so how can you say that post 2009, he didn't change things & stopped experimenting? That's baseless & totally contrary to the actual facts.

 

[orchard]

Our style of play dramatically improved in the latter years of his tenure, so how can you say that post 2009, he didn't change things & stopped experimenting? That's baseless & totally contrary to the actual facts.

Note the 'some' in my statement. To suggest that he was experimental in an absolute sense post 2009 is 'baseless & totally contrary to the actual facts' also. Imo something changed in Moyes' mentality around this period as Dave pointed out.

 

[Jags..class]

**** Moyes he gone now, I only support players and managers who want to be here and fight for the shirt, Moyes doesn't care about our club anymore, he gone to Man u to try and boost his CV and win some cups and pretend he always wanted to be a hero at Man u, that his job now to get the fans on side. I just wanner another manager in quick and make sure Moyes doesn't think he can come in and buy some of our players. Its funny tho that we heard the quote from the fans on here "He wont get a better offer then us" the second one makes me laugh is "he got no bottle" well he showed bottle taking over Man u after Fergie. I love Moyes and have respect for him but I don't want him to win one cup at Man u. I just hope we don't get evertonians having Man u as their second team cos of moyes.

 

[Timak]

Note the 'some' in my statement. To suggest that he was experimental in an absolute sense post 2009 is 'baseless & totally contrary to the actual facts' also. Imo something changed in Moyes' mentality around this period as Dave pointed out.

It might have been pointed out but that doesn't make it true.

We went between September 2009 and January 2012 without signing a first team player for money.

Shockingly this also coincided with our squad getting older and us using the same players all the time.

 

[davek]

Our style of play dramatically improved in the latter years of his tenure, so how can you say that post 2009, he didn't change things & stopped experimenting? That's baseless & totally contrary to the actual facts.

Latterly he stumbled across the novel idea of opening up another flank of attack via Coleman - who was a RB waiting to do this for the past three years but who Moyes only put in there because Hibbert was goosed. That allowed us to have a lot more balance than simply ploughing a furrow down the left attacking wise and staying solid across the rest of the park.

2009 was a watershed though (the summer, precisely, when he decided to put up and shut up once and for all with the limitations of the owners). He knew the financial tsunami was to come and just sat and let it roll over him. But to add insult to injury he compounded his own gutless approach to the board by then rounding on a group of Evertonians who carried the fight to the board. Fair enough if he didn't want to do it, but he should never have condemned those who wanted to highlight their inadequacies for the world beyond Goodison to see. He was finished for me from that moment. His sickening craven attitude had tipped over into slapping down dissent.

He'll fall on his arse at United and I'll be laughing me bollocks off when it happens.

 

[Jags..class]

The things I will miss about Moyes is class and this was applied to our players as well, his eye for a bargain, his fire in his belly when arrived (his fire not really there now), always a respectable finish in the league. What I wont miss is his loyalty to players such as Neville in the F.A against Wigan, his weakness in finding strikers for us.

 

[Jags..class]

Latterly he stumbled across the novel idea of opening up another flank of attack via Coleman - who was a RB waiting to do this for the past three years but who Moyes only put in there because Hibbert was goosed. That allowed us to have a lot more balance than simply ploughing a furrow down the left attacking wise and staying solid across the rest of the park.

2009 was a watershed though (the summer, precisely, when he decided to put up and shut up once and for all with the limitations of the owners). He knew the financial tsunami was to come and just sat and let it roll over him. But to add insult to injury he compounded his own gutless approach to the board by then rounding on a group of Evertonians who carried the fight to the board. Fair enough if he didn't want to do it, but he should never have condemned those who wanted to highlight their inadequacies for the world beyond Goodison to see. He was finished for me from that moment. His sickening craven attitude had tipped over into slapping down dissent.

He'll fall on his arse at United and I'll be laughing me bollocks off when it happens.

The same could be said that he was too slow in starting Baines when Lescott was at LB, but that could have been down to Baines not believing in himself enough.

 

[sexualchocolate]

Our style of play dramatically improved in the latter years of his tenure, so how can you say that post 2009, he didn't change things & stopped experimenting? That's baseless & totally contrary to the actual facts.

I disagree, this season we showed patches of really good football but this was interrupted too much by the hoofing it up to fellaini plan - prior to this season our game plan/style of play had rarely changed during Moyes's entire time in charge

 

[Jags..class]

I disagree, this season we showed patches of really good football but this was interrupted too much by the hoofing it up to fellaini plan - prior to this season our game plan/style of play had rarely changed during Moyes's entire time in charge

This is a move from Moyes I didn't understand, I've never wanted Fellaini to be our new Cahill and Moyes did for some reason. I would love to know Moyes reason on why he played Fellaini in Cahill role.

 

[magicjuan]

Latterly he stumbled across the novel idea of opening up another flank of attack via Coleman - who was a RB waiting to do this for the past three years but who Moyes only put in there because Hibbert was goosed. That allowed us to have a lot more balance than simply ploughing a furrow down the left attacking wise and staying solid across the rest of the park.

2009 was a watershed though (the summer, precisely, when he decided to put up and shut up once and for all with the limitations of the owners). He knew the financial tsunami was to come and just sat and let it roll over him. But to add insult to injury he compounded his own gutless approach to the board by then rounding on a group of Evertonians who carried the fight to the board. Fair enough if he didn't want to do it, but he should never have condemned those who wanted to highlight their inadequacies for the world beyond Goodison to see. He was finished for me from that moment. His sickening craven attitude had tipped over into slapping down dissent.

He'll fall on his arse at United and I'll be laughing me bollocks off when it happens.

I've never been one to knock Moyes completely, reckon he's done a good enough job, but it has been apparent when he has been frustrated or caught out, and I genuinely believe that more times than most would agree with, he has stumbled upon a formation rather than choosing it, suspensions and injuries have played a major part of Moyes 'success', but they always would when the squad was limited due to the resources, different kettle of fish at Utd though, no 'reasons' or excuses available to him there..

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I disagree, this season we showed patches of really good football but this was interrupted too much by the hoofing it up to fellaini plan - prior to this season our game plan/style of play had rarely changed during Moyes's entire time in charge

Sorry mate, but from my seat our football has changed dramatically over the years of Moyes tenure, from the days of 'hoping for a set piece' through to the current quality football that we play has been a steady progression. We haven't just started playing some quality football this season, we've been improving over years.