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2022/23 Dele Alli

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Chrismac said:
It wouldn't make it worse to sign players though.
We have given him a contract, an obligation to pay him, however if he doesnt put in at least effort (you'll struggle to convince me he actually is doing that based on his past 4 seasons as a footballer) then he is failing us not the other way around.
So, he has two options.
Turn up as an employee and train each day (without a squad number) and get paid for absolutely zero value to his employee, or go elsewhere.
It's up to him what he would prefer.
But that's the two options the club should be offering.
He has taken enough wages while doing next to nothing to warrant them, why should we make it better for him financially and personally?
We should never have signed him, that's our fault, but the only people that would look negatively at this we shouldn't be looking to buy anyway.
I'm not saying cancel his contract, I'm saying allow him to leave for free, two completely different circumstances.
There's been plenty of players over the years forced to train on their own/with youth because they weren't in the managers plans.
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So pay up his contract in full then… that’s better than paying some of it with an agreement like I proposed? You are aware that players who are allowed to leave on a “free” will have whatever they have left on their contract paid to them as a lump sum? Players who are sold, if they haven’t submitted a transfer request, also receive a bonus payment from the club this is standard throughout football and has been for years
 
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Clarky cat said:
So pay up his contract then…
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No, what part of that is me saying pay up his contract?
Firstly, double digit inflation in a purely business sense would make paying money upfront today stupid.
Having what seems like cashflow issues again would make this a stupid decision.
A business owning an asset but letting said asset dictate terms favourably for itself would continue to make us look soft.
I get the issue that its better wasting £2.5m rather than £5m, but I would be pushing for him to go elsewhere between now and close of window, and if not successful id hold fire and keep him until January.
Waste another year of his career, force him out.
 

Chrismac said:
No, what part of that is me saying pay up his contract?
Firstly, double digit inflation in a purely business sense would make paying money upfront today stupid.
Having what seems like cashflow issues again would make this a stupid decision.
A business owning an asset but letting said asset dictate terms favourably for itself would continue to make us look soft.
I get the issue that its better wasting £2.5m rather than £5m, but I would be pushing for him to go elsewhere between now and close of window, and if not successful id hold fire and keep him until January.
Waste another year of his career, force him out.
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Our accounts are yearly so if we paid 2.5m instead of 5m during that year to a non playing player it’s better financially, especially as every penny counts. I’m not sure why we are even debating that?
Could you expand on what you think would happen if the club let him go on a “free”. Do you think his contract would be ripped up on that day?
 
KaiserEFC said:
They’re not going to play him because they don’t want to pay the money.

Dyche will not like him full stop.

The blokes lost it big time and his career is over.

It isn’t worth even giving him a thought.
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This all day long, the guy is finished and has been for some time, if Jose couldn't get a tune out of him, then Dyche won't.
 

Chrismac said:
No, what part of that is me saying pay up his contract?
Firstly, double digit inflation in a purely business sense would make paying money upfront today stupid.
Having what seems like cashflow issues again would make this a stupid decision.
A business owning an asset but letting said asset dictate terms favourably for itself would continue to make us look soft.
I get the issue that its better wasting £2.5m rather than £5m, but I would be pushing for him to go elsewhere between now and close of window, and if not successful id hold fire and keep him until January.
Waste another year of his career, force him out.
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Doesn’t need any help with that unfortunately, all signs suggest that would be his preference.
 
Dele Alli still has six or seven games left for us (I think) before the first £10m instalment kicks in, so there is some wiggle room if Sean Dyche wants to test the lad out.
 
Cels said:
Dele Alli still has six or seven games left for us (I think) before the first £10m instalment kicks in, so there is some wiggle room if Sean Dyche wants to test the lad out.
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Think of it another way, would you pay a £10m loan fee for 1 season? That is effectively what it is now. 1 year on contract. Surely we are not going to offer him anything further. So 1 season, £10m plus wages. Let's call it £16m all in. Would you?
 

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