Confirmed Signing Demarai Gray

[Gilbert..]

OK, good for you. It's weird you talking about character when it comes to Townsend and ignoring it when it comes to Gray, is all I'm saying. Maybe we should give Ravel Morrison a go?

Well it seems you've made your mind up. At the price i think its worth it. Unlike the 30-40m shelled out for iwobi.

 

[windymiller]

Well it seems you've made your mind up. At the price i think its worth it. Unlike the 30-40m shelled out for iwobi.

If he's gash, we're stuck with yet another player that nobody will buy.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Then we should replace them then and not with crap cloggers.

With what? lol

Have a look at our accounts and then realise if we spend £60+ million on starting 11 players there isn't much left to be throwing money around for players to be sat on the bench every week.

Last summer and this one was always going to be a limited spend. If Kean goes for the sum we hope then we could probably bring in an extra quality starting 11 player but at this stage I would say after Dumfries signs for about £20 million we'll probably have enough for 1-2 others and thats yer lot.

 

[catcherintherye]

From a price and wage structure stand point, these types of signings are probably a sensible thing to do, from a quality stand point they are bizarre and perplexing, especially from a club like yourselves.

You’ve thrown a lot of money at a lot of players over the years. We’ve spent 20-30 million on good, young, upcoming players who’s prices will double within in a few years, that’s our usual strategy and it’s a strategy that’s been very successful.

The difference is that Everton have spent a good amount on the likes of Doucoure, Allan, Andre Gomes for example, but they aren’t the types of players who will get you 40-50-60 million in a few years time. With Leicester we’ve done that with the likes of Tielemans & Maddison, where they’ll come a point where they move on, but we’ll get double or triple for what we paid for them.

You’ve done similar in the past with John Stones, a young shrewd signing who you ended up getting about £50 million for.

Prices have blown up since then, but with Ben Godfrey for example, he is very much like Wesley Fofana for us. We spent £30 million on Fofana, a good, young talent with room to grow who’s price will double in a few years.

That’s the strategy that more clubs should employ, with Everton you need to make signings like Godfrey more often, it will end up being a real difference maker.

Yes all interesting points. Just to add a bit of context though on certain things. Firstly, the reality is a club like ours currently lacks pace in the team. That's the biggest problem we have had. We have some good technical footballers and a tactically well drilled but lack pace. He helps with that. It also seems, potentially until a sale is made at least, that money is a bit tighter. So if you want a guy for 1-2m on relatively cheap wages, who add pace to the side, there aren't many out there who are better options than Gray in my view.

In terms of trebling, I agree with you. I mean in the last few years, even amongst the case, we have probably doubled/trebled our money Lookman, Vlasic, Onyekuru. We probably got more than treble for Lukaku, 5 as much for Gana Gueye, John Stones probably went for 20+ x what we paid. We would also make substantial profits on DCL, Holgate, Digne, Richarlison, Pickford and Kean. So it's not perhaps as awful as some may think. Our issue has just been overpaying in wages and fees for replacements.

I like Tielemans, but I believe you paid 45m for him. I don't see you doubling, never mind trebling that fee. Madisson was what 20m? I mean maybe you get double, but he needs to keep on improving.

Aside from the specifics though, there is a lot of competition for these type of signings and surely it depends what fee you pay for them. I gave you the example of Ben White. He ticks a lot of those boxes, bit feels a pretty awful buy at 50m to me.

 

[windymiller]

With what? lol

Have a look at our accounts and then realise if we spend £60+ million on starting 11 players there isn't much left to be throwing money around for players to be sat on the bench every week.

Last summer and this one was always going to be a limited spend. If Kean goes for the sum we hope then we could probably bring in an extra quality starting 11 player but at this stage I would say after Dumfries signs for about £20 million we'll probably have enough for 1-2 others and thats yer lot.

I thought you laughed at my post that Townsend and Gray were our main signings, but now you are agreeing with me? I sometimes wonder if you have multiple people running your GOT account. I'd rather play Gordon than Gray, frankly, and save the £1.5m and 40K a week.

 

[hktoffee]

Yes all interesting points. Just to add a bit of context though on certain things. Firstly, the reality is a club like ours currently lacks pace in the team. That's the biggest problem we have had. We have some good technical footballers and a tactically well drilled but lack pace. He helps with that. It also seems, potentially until a sale is made at least, that money is a bit tighter. So if you want a guy for 1-2m on relatively cheap wages, who add pace to the side, there aren't many out there who are better options than Gray in my view.

In terms of trebling, I agree with you. I mean in the last few years, even amongst the case, we have probably doubled/trebled our money Lookman, Vlasic, Onyekuru. We probably got more than treble for Lukaku, 5 as much for Gana Gueye, John Stones probably went for 20+ x what we paid. We would also make substantial profits on DCL, Holgate, Digne, Richarlison, Pickford and Kean. So it's not perhaps as awful as some may think. Our issue has just been overpaying in wages and fees for replacements.

I like Tielemans, but I believe you paid 45m for him. I don't see you doubling, never mind trebling that fee. Madisson was what 20m? I mean maybe you get double, but he needs to keep on improving.

Aside from the specifics though, there is a lot of competition for these type of signings and surely it depends what fee you pay for them. I gave you the example of Ben White. He ticks a lot of those boxes, bit feels a pretty awful buy at 50m to me.

Like paying a traditional winger to Burnley for £30m.

 

[catcherintherye]

Like paying a traditional winger to Burnley for £30m.

I mean I don't know the fee for Mcneil but yes the same principle. Just because they are young, doesn't mean they are great value.

 

[Azzurri]

Yes all interesting points. Just to add a bit of context though on certain things. Firstly, the reality is a club like ours currently lacks pace in the team. That's the biggest problem we have had. We have some good technical footballers and a tactically well drilled but lack pace. He helps with that. It also seems, potentially until a sale is made at least, that money is a bit tighter. So if you want a guy for 1-2m on relatively cheap wages, who add pace to the side, there aren't many out there who are better options than Gray in my view.

In terms of trebling, I agree with you. I mean in the last few years, even amongst the case, we have probably doubled/trebled our money Lookman, Vlasic, Onyekuru. We probably got more than treble for Lukaku, 5 as much for Gana Gueye, John Stones probably went for 20+ x what we paid. We would also make substantial profits on DCL, Holgate, Digne, Richarlison, Pickford and Kean. So it's not perhaps as awful as some may think. Our issue has just been overpaying in wages and fees for replacements.

I like Tielemans, but I believe you paid 45m for him. I don't see you doubling, never mind trebling that fee. Madisson was what 20m? I mean maybe you get double, but he needs to keep on improving.

Aside from the specifics though, there is a lot of competition for these type of signings and surely it depends what fee you pay for them. I gave you the example of Ben White. He ticks a lot of those boxes, bit feels a pretty awful buy at 50m to me.

I agree with much your post, but we definitely didn’t get double for Onyekuru and I’m not sure we even got our money back on the other two.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I thought you laughed at my post that Townsend and Gray were our main signings, but now you are agreeing with me? I sometimes wonder if you have multiple people running your GOT account. I'd rather play Gordon than Gray, frankly, and save the £1.5m and 40K a week.

They are not our main signings man. They are squad signings.

Dumfries and probably 1-2 others will be our main signings.

 

[catcherintherye]

I agree with much your post, but we definitely didn’t get double for Onyekuru and I’m not sure we even got our money back on the other two.

I think we paid 7/8 for Onyekuru and sold for 15 ish.

Lookman who bought for 8-10 and sold for 25m. Vlasic we bought for 8 and sold for 15, with a big sell on so have probably pocketed around 18m. About double.

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

Good grief

Strange response?

 

[hktoffee]

I mean I don't know the fee for Mcneil but yes the same principle. Just because they are young, doesn't mean they are great value.

Townsend free Grey for €2m can see why, as squad fillers. But McNeil for a massive fee is a no no for me. Doesn’t score or assist enough for that kind of price.

Strange transfer tactics so far. From buying continental to English players with low profile and prestige.

 

[degsy]

Like them or not, all these new appointments, both on and off field, are firmly in the land of 'we'll have to wait and see.'

 

[Azzurri]

I think we paid 7/8 for Onyekuru and sold for 15 ish.

Lookman who bought for 8-10 and sold for 25m. Vlasic we bought for 8 and sold for 15, with a big sell on so have probably pocketed around 18m. About double.

We got 25 mil for Lookman? Christ. Well played to whoever got that deal for us.

 

[Gilbert..]

If he's gash, we're stuck with yet another player that nobody will buy.

Thats a description of most Everton players. At least this one wont be a huge financial one. Almost a free hit.