derren brown and the lottery!

[kenada_blue]

Be interesting to read the law around misleading broadcasting...

That's my point. Saying "im gonna predict the lottery numbers" then revieling that it was geek on a computer who wrote the numbers on the balls after it took place, doesnt do Mr Brown many favours in his career or Channel 4.

His next "event" would bomb big time.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

But what a waste of time if that's true. A complete and pointless exercise.

If you've ever watched Derran Brown he never uses funny camera tricks and FX, its all mind tricks, hypnosis, maths, educated guesses etc and not split-screens, blue-screens, projections, or black-light cheating.

If it is something like that, I'm pretty sure the audience will drop considerably for his next "event" as everyone will say its just a optical effect and he would be seen as a fraud.

Thats my view on it anyway.

I believe he advertised this as "An act of misdirection".

Wikipedia states that is :

The study of close-up magic is a good introduction to misdirection. Misdirection takes advantage of the limits of the human mind in order to give the wrong picture and memory. The mind can concentrate on only one thing at a time. The magician uses this to manipulate the "victim's" idea of how the world is supposed to be.
Misdirection in magic may be as simple as a magician rolling up his sleeves and saying "nothing up my sleeve" and then producing an object that could never have been "up his sleeve". The audience instinctively scrutinizes the magician's arms, but ignores the actual location where the object-to-be-magically-produced is hidden.
Attention can be controlled in various ways. A magician will first grab attention with a coin, or another small and shiny object A shiny object captures more attention and seems less likely to disappear or to be manipulated. Then attention is directed away from the object (hence, "misdirection") through a combination of comedy, sleight of hand or an unimportant object of focus, thus providing just enough time for the magician to do whatever he or she wishes to do with the original object.
One of the most important things to remember when thinking about misdirection and magic is this: a larger movement conceals a smaller movement

He took our attention away from the balls and after he had done so used that distraction to somehow get the numbers on the balls.

Its a trick, no matter how he done it its still not real so the accusation of fraud could be levelled at him regardless.

If you check youtube theres plenty of vids explaining how they believe he done it. Could be wrong though of course.


But if Derren Brown has managed to become the only (that we know of) person in the world to correctly predict lottery numbers before they are drawn i will eat someone elses hat.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

He took our attention away from the balls and after he had done so used that distraction to somehow get the numbers on the balls.

I dont think it was a case of "look over there...."

It doesn't work as well if millions are watching, one or two would no doubt be awkward and not actually look.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

I dont think it was a case of "look over there...."

It doesn't work as well if millions are watching, one or two would no doubt be awkward and not actually look.

Yeah, which is why it points towards camera trickery of some sort.

Either way though however he done it it certainly seems to have got people talking so i reckon his show tomorrow should get a pretty good viewing figure.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Yeah, which is why it points towards camera trickery of some sort.

Either way though however he done it it certainly seems to have got people talking so i reckon his show tomorrow should get a pretty good viewing figure.

Thats not his style and to be honest, I doubt he would risk it.

 

[kenada_blue]

I believe he advertised this as "An act of misdirection".

Wikipedia states that is :



He took our attention away from the balls and after he had done so used that distraction to somehow get the numbers on the balls.

Its a trick, no matter how he done it its still not real so the accusation of fraud could be levelled at him regardless.

If you check youtube theres plenty of vids explaining how they believe he done it. Could be wrong though of course.


But if Derren Brown has managed to become the only (that we know of) person in the world to correctly predict lottery numbers before they are drawn i will eat someone elses hat.

Of course its a trick...but its not going to be a con.

Like I say, Im hoping its not just a computer effect but something more clever than that which is why I mentioned the mathmatical guess. Could be completely wrong but using FX to superimpose and change the TV image for eg is more of a fraud than anything like a trick.

Im not saying he would have figured out how to predict the lottery results because its just a game of chance, and he wont say that either - he wants us to believe he predicted the results. But I wouldnt be surprised at educational guesses based on some formula where sometimes its right, sometimes its wrong or something along those lines. It could even be a trick of the eye, the way lines are drawn for the numbers on the balls, how they're placed etc.

All Im saying is that I'm hoping its something more clever than a computer effect or a image trick etc where some feller on a computer is changing things. That's not really a trick, an abiliity to clevely decieve someone by doing one thing to show something else, but a fraud. It doesnt take someone clever to use FX to manipulate an image or presented image.

I can see it being a proper made magic eye picture on the balls probably messing up the camera lens as he places the number board above the balls.

Anything but a shitty blue-screen or black light effect to be fair because it would harm his credability.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Thats not his style and to be honest, I doubt he would risk it.

He got everyone to think there was some mysterious psychic way he done when all along it was a simple camera trick?

He fooled us in the way we thought was least likely?

It was all a bluff and he fooled us by thinking we were seeing something we weren't?

And there are numerous vids on youtube showing how he could of performed this via camera trick. Yet i've seen no one suggest how he could of done it otherwise. Well certainly not believable ones anyway which are more than just gueeses based on his past work.

Ones that Derren Brown and Derren Brown only in the world is able to do.

 

[bluemooner_mcfc]

Watched this closely, the balls were moving all the time which is why they had to have a shakey camera man, and when they finished there was a tiny white border above the balls, (note that the black ink isn't at the top) I reckon they were white with a blue label on, or even completely blue balls, the old blue screen trick. An assistant wrote the numbers down and in the studio they were just white balls with blue squares or blue balls (no independent witnesses were present), but to the tv audience they were the correct numbers, ta-dah, effin magic

Damn...i didnt check the lottery last night so thanks for posting the numbers for me

 

[kenada_blue]

He got everyone to think there was some mysterious psychic way he done when all along it was a simple camera trick?

He fooled us in the way we thought was least likely?

It was all a bluff and he fooled us by thinking we were seeing something we weren't?

And there are numerous vids on youtube showing how he could of performed this via camera trick. Yet i've seen no one suggest how he could of done it otherwise. Well certainly not believable ones anyway which are more than just gueeses based on his past work.

Ones that Derren Brown and Derren Brown only in the world is able to do.

YouTube - Derren Brown Lottery Prediction Method Revealed! How he done it!

The bloke here thinks its a split screen camera trick where there is a video loop on one side of the screen and someone runs in and changes the balls. When its finished the loop has stopped and the live feed come back on and the full screen continues and Brown reveals the numbers.

Now the problem with this is that in order to do that the camera has to be perfectly still because what you'd get it the two sides of the screens moving if it doesnt. The whole thing is shot hand held and its not static, the whole screen is moving.

The feller says its computer controlled. Again, this cant happen as the camera is handheld. Its also pretty impossible to do a live split screen with a moving camera. If the camera was still, maybe, but its not. Also, the timing must be 100% spot on for anyone to pull it off without someone noticing something has moved, changed etc

Again, could be completely wrong and Im probably am. Brown does say at the end that "you can do it too" which probably means it will be some slight of eye/hand trick. But a camera trick with some guys behind the scenes messing about I dont think happened.

Hope Im wrong though.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I suspect the card plays its part.

His actions always have a motive, his hand on his mouth serves as a distraction to his other hand.

 

[BlueTak]

I doubt its a camera trick, its not his style.
Can't wait to see how he did it!

 

[Welton Toffee]

Have you mate?

Since you're just gonna take what you saw and what he said for face value, he might as well have just come out and said 'Tonight I will guess the lottery numbers correctly' and walk off.

You can't pre-guess a random draw with odds of like one in 14 million. It's an illusion, and the only way it makes sense for me is that they had to have done something between the lottery having been drawn, and the showing of the white balls. Whether it was done off camera, or whether the balls were tampered with, is the debate.

There's no system to guess lottery numbers. He hasn't been sat up all night for a year looking at the history of the lottery, seeing which numbers come up most often, and hoping. Christ.

Errm yes I have. Obviously. Which is why a camera trick or whatever seems unlikely. Christ.

I'll say no more until after the programme tomorrow night. After all, I have no idea how he did it either, but I'm convinced it wasn't some cheap camera trick. As others have said, it's not his style and it'd hardly do his career any good.

 

[Blue_in_london]

I read a story once of a guy who video taped the last weeks lottery, bought those numbers the following week, and played his video in front of the unsuspecting wife, as if it were live TV. When those numbers came up, he jumped around estatically as if he'd won, tricking his wife.

She went out, told everyone she knew, and well over-spent on luxury items putting them into massive debt...and divorced him shortly after he revealed it was just a joke!!

 

[Blue_in_london]

In fact...thinking about it - don't tell me he pre-recorded every possible outcome over the last year, then played the correct answer somehow???

That would be a bad waste of time!!

 

[Rugby Toffee]

In fact...thinking about it - don't tell me he pre-recorded every possible outcome over the last year, then played the correct answer somehow???

That would be a bad waste of time!!

And expensive