Discussion & help on depression & mental health related issues

[chicoazul]

I mostly agree with you but in certain cases (like this one) I find it to be justified. To be clear, I've never taken it myself so I can't speak from experience.

There are cases when you have to prescribe benzo's like Temesta et al. I'm thinking about people with suicidal thoughts, vital depressions, psychoses etc. I've asked my friend about it; according to her it all depends on how sensitive the person is to addiction (can he/she be content alone). There is nothing wrong if you're able to take one tablet of Clonazepam (0.5 MG /week). This being the case for certain people who suffer from panic attacks. In normal conditions it leaves the body within two days. It's a problem when you start overindulging in the stuff; because they are really addictive.

I have heard stories though about alcoholics. They quit alcohol - use valium - stop Valium - return to drinking. This ad infinitum.

Might I ask the effects of this drug on your body and how long you used it?

Fair enough and can see the merit in what is an extraordinary circumstance. I can only go off personal experience and what I've read up on it.

It's over prescribed under the brand name Klopolin in North America. I was prescribed it for insomnia. Also Xanax for the same thing prior. Like any benzo It is extremely quick to gain a dependency on, over a matter of as little as six weeks. Then your body craves you to up the dose. You have to taper off it very slowly and even then the withdrawal symptoms can last for months or roll into years.

It's largely restricted in the UK for treating Parkinson's.

I wouldn't wish the withdrawal on my worst enemy. Your nervous system goes to pieces and sleep is a distant memory. It's caused quite a few suicides for people on withdrawal or trying to taper off it. I'd swerve it being used and for general anxiety or insomnia it's downright irresponsible for a doctor to issue.

I used as described and seldom over 0.5mg a night so no over indulgence or misuse. Still it caused problems. I'm usually quite private on here but I'd urge anyone if ever prescribed this to refuse it steadfastly and demand something else.

 

[Armel]

Fair enough and can see the merit in what is an extraordinary circumstance. I can only go off personal experience and what I've read up on it.

It's over prescribed under the brand name Klopolin in North America. I was prescribed it for insomnia. Also Xanax for the same thing prior. Like an benzo It is extremely quick to gain a dependency on, over a matter of as little as six weeks. Then your body craves you to up the dose. You have to taper off it very slowly and even then the withdrawal symptoms can last for months or roll into years.

It's largely restricted in the UK for treating Parkinson's.

I wouldn't wish the withdrawal on my worst enemy. Your nervous system goes to pieces and sleep is a distant memory. It's caused quite a few suicides for people on withdrawal or trying to taper off it. I'd swerve it being used and for general anxiety or insomnia it's downright irresponsible for a doctor to issue.

I used as described and seldom over 0.5mg a night so no over indulgence or misuse. Still it caused problems. I'm usually quite private on here but I'd urge anyone if ever prescribed this to refuse it steadfastly and demand something else.

Oh I now see where your reluctance comes from. Thank you for sharing. Very good that you were able to beat the withdrawal symptoms. Here (Belgium), you can normally only get it after having visited a psychiatrist or you have to be a palliative patient.

If you still have trouble sleeping; I'm assuming you've already tried this but I try to offer my help regardless. Hot bath, lavender, thee, discovery channel. Works for me

I only know one case in my 'vicinity' (exempted the palliative patients). Friend of mine had a client when he was training to be a lawyer. That client had some weird epileptic brain condition. He was perfectly normal when he took his pills (Clonazepam), but he didn't like taking them because of the bland sensation they created in his brains. So he didn't take them. This resulted in strange behavior. To this day I still don't know if he was faking it or not. Anyhow he visited prostitutes and didn't pay; afterwards he blamed it on his condition. Or he slowly ran in to people. Very strange. The judge always ruled in his favor.

 

[chicoazul]

Oh I now see where your reluctance comes from. Thank you for sharing. Very good that you were able to beat the withdrawal symptoms. Here (Belgium), you can normally only get it after having visited a psychiatrist or you have to be a palliative patient.

If you still have trouble sleeping; I'm assuming you've already tried this but I try to offer my help regardless. Hot bath, lavender, thee, discovery channel. Works for me

I only know one case in my 'vicinity' (exempted the palliative patients). Friend of mine had a client when he was training to be a lawyer. That client had some weird epileptic brain condition. He was perfectly normal when he took his pills (Clonazepam), but he didn't like taking them because of the bland sensation they created in his brains. So he didn't take them. This resulted in strange behavior. To this day I still don't know if he was faking it or not. Anyhow he visited prostitutes and didn't pay; afterwards he blamed it on his condition. Or he slowly ran in to people. Very strange. The judge always ruled in his favor.

He didn't have to pay prostitues?

double drops clonazepam*

 

[Armel]

He didn't have to pay prostitues?

double drops clonazepam*

Yep. They were always on the house or such . It was always the same; he always overindulged. Multiple prostitutes; lots of liquor. Afterwards they would file a complaint (indecent assault). Nothing would come out of it. Him being ill and all. Only the last time; he found himself in some trouble. He had invited a luxury prostitute for the night. Didn't pay. She files complaint. Police searches his bedroom. Finds BDSM gear. Because of this he had to serve one week in a mental hospital. This was years ago, I imagine he's still doing similar things. Though at his rate; I think he's already visited every prostitute in Belgium.

 

[chicoazul]

My apologies for bringing brass on topic in this thread.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Hey @matty1878 , as an avid dog lover and someone who's always had one of them as family throughout my life - your post breaks my heart.

Think the best way to go through a heavy end, from experience too, is to just be there - after all, the puppy would've been with you nevermind what happens, always happy to see him. I'm sure you gave him a nice and happy life too.

They truly are family, in some cases even closer. Do all the things he loved doing in his last days, I think it's only appropriate, as seeing you and being with you was probably his favouite thing in the world.

Somewhat related, but also really sad tribute.

 

[COYBL25]

Fair enough and can see the merit in what is an extraordinary circumstance. I can only go off personal experience and what I've read up on it.

It's over prescribed under the brand name Klopolin in North America. I was prescribed it for insomnia. Also Xanax for the same thing prior. Like any benzo It is extremely quick to gain a dependency on, over a matter of as little as six weeks. Then your body craves you to up the dose. You have to taper off it very slowly and even then the withdrawal symptoms can last for months or roll into years.

It's largely restricted in the UK for treating Parkinson's.

I wouldn't wish the withdrawal on my worst enemy. Your nervous system goes to pieces and sleep is a distant memory. It's caused quite a few suicides for people on withdrawal or trying to taper off it. I'd swerve it being used and for general anxiety or insomnia it's downright irresponsible for a doctor to issue.

I used as described and seldom over 0.5mg a night so no over indulgence or misuse. Still it caused problems. I'm usually quite private on here but I'd urge anyone if ever prescribed this to refuse it steadfastly and demand something else.

I can only echo this. I took a benzo for a long time too, due to a lazy GP, who carried on prescribing it for years rather than weeks. The withdrawals were akin to horrendous flu, which put me in bed for days.

Benzos are fine for 2/3 weeks use tops to get people through the worst.

 

[matty1878]

I know people are genuinely unwell but @matty1878 your dog story has genuinely broken my heart mate, not to belittle anyone else's struggles but I honestly can see the obvious pain x

Thanx for the kind words mate. My worlds been turned upside down it really has. I've had to put everything of and on hold none of it matters, I need to be there 24/7 for him now.

 

[matty1878]

Hey @matty1878 , as an avid dog lover and someone who's always had one of them as family throughout my life - your post breaks my heart.

Think the best way to go through a heavy end, from experience too, is to just be there - after all, the puppy would've been with you nevermind what happens, always happy to see him. I'm sure you gave him a nice and happy life too.

They truly are family, in some cases even closer. Do all the things he loved doing in his last days, I think it's only appropriate, as seeing you and being with you was probably his favouite thing in the world.

Somewhat related, but also really sad tribute.

Thankyou mate. That's what I'm doing matey being there with him every minute which is what he likes and I like. I can't describe to people how I feel enough my hearts been shredded. Doing everything I can to make him feel more loved and cherished.

 

[l4toffee]

My apologies for bringing brass on topic in this thread.

Talking brasses has a place in every thread .

 

[GwladysBlue]

Nothing wimpy about it, you're very brave for putting it out here. I salute you.

From your message I can't really discern the situation. Is it a friend/family member/lover who broke your heart. Or a combination?

Please clarify; so I can adjust my advice accordingly. Regardless it might be difficult now, but you'll get over it.

It was a really good mate that turned into something more.

Now everything has changed and not only have I lost the prospect of a relationship with them, it looks like I've lost a friendship, too.

 

[hallamblue]

Haven't posted a song for a while. This one is from Jeff Lynne's ELO album and always cheers me up, enjoy!

 

[DualityNSNO]

Thankyou mate. That's what I'm doing matey being there with him every minute which is what he likes and I like. I can't describe to people how I feel enough my hearts been shredded. Doing everything I can to make him feel more loved and cherished.

Those who know - you don't need to describe to, mate. Just look after your best friend, and be happy together...

 

[Billy Dean]

My apologies for bringing brass on topic in this thread.

If you still have insomnia I can really recommend this book (even despite it being recommended by the Mail):

There's also a mobile app which is really good. Check the website: http://thesleepschool.org

The techniques he uses can also be used for other things like anxiety etc

 

[Armel]

It was a really good mate that turned into something more.

Now everything has changed and not only have I lost the prospect of a relationship with them, it looks like I've lost a friendship, too.

Oh I see. I think it is best that you completely cut off the contact. At least for a while; this way you'll be able to heal for a bit. Keeping the contact only makes it more difficult. It will never be the same again, but quite possibly with the passing of time you'll be able to establish a new sort of relationship with your ex. For the moment I think that will be too difficult, the amorous aspect has clouded things. Plus if you keep contact now; you're bound to run into situations that kind of make you uncomfortable. I don't know how it ended; but I'm guessing you would not be too pleased to see your ex with someone else.

I know this will hurt. But the feeling will fade. Eventually you'll only be reminded of your ex when doing stuff that you used to do together (like very specific stuff; both you and the ex eat, but this isn't a special thing); but even that will fade. Also remember, it ended for a reason; so she was not the best fit for you (in that time and situation).

You can ease the worst of the emotional turmoil by sleeping well, healthy nutrition, sports, walks in forests, fun activities, finding new social circles where you can be a part of. I don't know you; so I don't really know your hobbies or interests but maybe you can join an off-road cycling club (just guessing here - it is extremely fun though).

Regarding the friendship. How I read it (you can correct me if wrong), your ex sort of was the person in which you confided your private feelings and such. Like she was the one who really knew you or such. Well no point in sugar coating this; you will miss this. The good news is though; you can find someone else to have a similar relationship with. Sure you're going to miss a bit of shared history; but you can work on that. In doing things with that person you create new shared history.

I also want to stress again; there's no reason to excessively hide your feelings. I'm not saying you should go out and start crying when you see puppies or such (unless you truly feel like doing that). But you should show your genuine emotions. I hadn't done that for years; and still don't really do it quite effectively and I can assure you this attitude really got me in a rather shitty situation. Men also have emotions and you should be able to talk about them.

Like COYBL25 said, everybody on here has had their heart broken at least once. It hurts like hell. At times it might feel like pieces of yourself are missing; but eventually you'll get over it. It will get better. Now you should try to accept the situation and adjust; it won't be easy but you'll be stronger for it. And like chicoazul said; afterwards you'll be able to appreciate normality more.

Oh and in most of my posts here I recommend a book from Murakami. In your case I recommend Norwegian Wood. There's also a film of it, but I haven't seen it so I don't know if it's any good. Best to read the book first.

You'll be okay, and you'll be happy again.