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Discussion & help on depression & mental health related issues

I've just had a mid term scan on my chemo. Unfortunately it appears not to be going to plan. At the moment I'm ok as it's kind of what I was expecting but I've now got a decision to make. Continue and hope it starts working but side effects of chemo mean I'm tired a lot or try something different or accept my fate and at least enjoy what I've got left. The scan result is a secret at the minute as I can't cope with the thought of people saying be positive as they don't understand how I feel. I can't explain as I don't really understand how I feel either. It's been such a roller coaster and people have been so kind but ultimately this is a lonely battle.

Talk your options out with a professional. I pray you have the strength to battle whatever is coming your way. My grandfather has been battling brain cancer for about three years now and he was told 12 months was his maximum. There have been great advances in medicine so I hope for the best for you.

Feeling alone does not mean you are alone. I hope you don't isolate and instead savor the time, hopefully a long time, you have here on this planet with people you care about.
 
I've just had a mid term scan on my chemo. Unfortunately it appears not to be going to plan. At the moment I'm ok as it's kind of what I was expecting but I've now got a decision to make. Continue and hope it starts working but side effects of chemo mean I'm tired a lot or try something different or accept my fate and at least enjoy what I've got left. The scan result is a secret at the minute as I can't cope with the thought of people saying be positive as they don't understand how I feel. I can't explain as I don't really understand how I feel either. It's been such a roller coaster and people have been so kind but ultimately this is a lonely battle.
Good luck mate. You have some support here if you need anything.
 
I've just had a mid term scan on my chemo. Unfortunately it appears not to be going to plan. At the moment I'm ok as it's kind of what I was expecting but I've now got a decision to make. Continue and hope it starts working but side effects of chemo mean I'm tired a lot or try something different or accept my fate and at least enjoy what I've got left. The scan result is a secret at the minute as I can't cope with the thought of people saying be positive as they don't understand how I feel. I can't explain as I don't really understand how I feel either. It's been such a roller coaster and people have been so kind but ultimately this is a lonely battle.
Stay strong my mate
Many hugs x
 
About this time last year I was struggling financially. I had a full time job with Asda, but with all the cut backs to stay in work I took demotions that left me at minimum wage. I needed to take home about £1200 a month to break even with bills, mortgage and car. I was taking home about £1000 a month. I was slowly sliding into debt and could not see a way out, without getting lucky with another job.

I got 'lucky' with another job at Morrisons as Night Manager. On another thread I was sharing with you guys what happens there. I have a 40 hour week contract. The pay is good and clear my needs. However, the job is impossible in 40 hours. Myself and the other 2 night managers work 60 hours a week. We are salaried. We do not earn much above minimum wage when we break down our hours.
The other side of this is that we feel bullied/manipulated into doing the shifts.
I am exhausted mentally, emotionally and physically. We have raised grievances, they get swept under the carpet.
If we state that we will only work our hours, then we get threatened with performance management for not completing the job.

Then last week it happened because we are too vocal.
I have been put on performance management because of standards.I am awaiting a review and technically they could give me 4 weeks notice at the review in two weeks time.
Another manager has been put on investigation for alleged bullying. He isn't a bully.
The third manager has received a warning for working too many hours.

It is all a device to keep us in line and in mycase I suspect to get rid of me.

On Thursday night I snapped. I told the senior line manager that I do not enjoy working with a gun to my head. I stated that they are trying to 'manage' out those whose faces do not fit. (Two team managers walked last week after pressure applied on them). They already know I am on medication for stress related illness. I also added that I would never expect them to admit it. I said they would be delighted if I gave my notice because that is what they are working towards. He chuckled and denied it.

Needless to say on Friday morning I got hauled over the coals on 2 issues the Store Manager found. 2 issues across a massive shop is FA. No mention was made of all the good work done around the rest of the store. That is quite normal.

So I have the same dilemma as last year. I can not afford to be out of work. I need to earn enough to pay my bills or lose my house. The job I am in is destroying me. I can not put in words just what is happening at work. It might sound like I am just moaning. I have worked hard all my life and not afraid of hard work. This is slave labour and mental torture.

My belief is that I have less than 6 weeks left and then I really do not know what to do.
I have already applied for loads of jobs and joined agencies. Not getting anything back.

Family are suggesting I put a sick note in. This has never been my ethic and I think it would work against me longer term.
Right now this morning, I feel sick and dread going back into work.
 
About this time last year I was struggling financially. I had a full time job with Asda, but with all the cut backs to stay in work I took demotions that left me at minimum wage. I needed to take home about £1200 a month to break even with bills, mortgage and car. I was taking home about £1000 a month. I was slowly sliding into debt and could not see a way out, without getting lucky with another job.

I got 'lucky' with another job at Morrisons as Night Manager. On another thread I was sharing with you guys what happens there. I have a 40 hour week contract. The pay is good and clear my needs. However, the job is impossible in 40 hours. Myself and the other 2 night managers work 60 hours a week. We are salaried. We do not earn much above minimum wage when we break down our hours.
The other side of this is that we feel bullied/manipulated into doing the shifts.
I am exhausted mentally, emotionally and physically. We have raised grievances, they get swept under the carpet.
If we state that we will only work our hours, then we get threatened with performance management for not completing the job.

Then last week it happened because we are too vocal.
I have been put on performance management because of standards.I am awaiting a review and technically they could give me 4 weeks notice at the review in two weeks time.
Another manager has been put on investigation for alleged bullying. He isn't a bully.
The third manager has received a warning for working too many hours.

It is all a device to keep us in line and in mycase I suspect to get rid of me.

On Thursday night I snapped. I told the senior line manager that I do not enjoy working with a gun to my head. I stated that they are trying to 'manage' out those whose faces do not fit. (Two team managers walked last week after pressure applied on them). They already know I am on medication for stress related illness. I also added that I would never expect them to admit it. I said they would be delighted if I gave my notice because that is what they are working towards. He chuckled and denied it.

Needless to say on Friday morning I got hauled over the coals on 2 issues the Store Manager found. 2 issues across a massive shop is FA. No mention was made of all the good work done around the rest of the store. That is quite normal.

So I have the same dilemma as last year. I can not afford to be out of work. I need to earn enough to pay my bills or lose my house. The job I am in is destroying me. I can not put in words just what is happening at work. It might sound like I am just moaning. I have worked hard all my life and not afraid of hard work. This is slave labour and mental torture.

My belief is that I have less than 6 weeks left and then I really do not know what to do.
I have already applied for loads of jobs and joined agencies. Not getting anything back.

Family are suggesting I put a sick note in. This has never been my ethic and I think it would work against me longer term.
Right now this morning, I feel sick and dread going back into work.

Hi mate.

Looking from the outside in, I`d say it`s time for you to go onto the front foot with the situation in work.

It`s obvious that they they don`t care if they work their employees into the ground.

I`m guessing the person you replaced, got the same treatment, hence the reason for the vacancy in the first place !

You need to go sick and explain in detail to your GP the reasons why you`re not coping.

Your GP will summarise what you say, but the main thing is that what they`re doing to you in work, will be documented by a health care professional and could be used at a future date, should you end up in a tribunal.

Once your sick note goes in, citing work as the reason for your illness, they have a LEGAL duty of care towards you to remove / minimise the reasons for you going off sick.

The fact that you`ve gone sick citing your working conditions as the cause of your sickness should also serve as a warning tot them, as it can / could be used in a tribunal.

I really think you need to see and a lawyer who specialises in employment law too.

@anjelikaferrett is the person to take guidance from on this.
 

About this time last year I was struggling financially. I had a full time job with Asda, but with all the cut backs to stay in work I took demotions that left me at minimum wage. I needed to take home about £1200 a month to break even with bills, mortgage and car. I was taking home about £1000 a month. I was slowly sliding into debt and could not see a way out, without getting lucky with another job.

I got 'lucky' with another job at Morrisons as Night Manager. On another thread I was sharing with you guys what happens there. I have a 40 hour week contract. The pay is good and clear my needs. However, the job is impossible in 40 hours. Myself and the other 2 night managers work 60 hours a week. We are salaried. We do not earn much above minimum wage when we break down our hours.
The other side of this is that we feel bullied/manipulated into doing the shifts.
I am exhausted mentally, emotionally and physically. We have raised grievances, they get swept under the carpet.
If we state that we will only work our hours, then we get threatened with performance management for not completing the job.

Then last week it happened because we are too vocal.
I have been put on performance management because of standards.I am awaiting a review and technically they could give me 4 weeks notice at the review in two weeks time.
Another manager has been put on investigation for alleged bullying. He isn't a bully.
The third manager has received a warning for working too many hours.

It is all a device to keep us in line and in mycase I suspect to get rid of me.

On Thursday night I snapped. I told the senior line manager that I do not enjoy working with a gun to my head. I stated that they are trying to 'manage' out those whose faces do not fit. (Two team managers walked last week after pressure applied on them). They already know I am on medication for stress related illness. I also added that I would never expect them to admit it. I said they would be delighted if I gave my notice because that is what they are working towards. He chuckled and denied it.

Needless to say on Friday morning I got hauled over the coals on 2 issues the Store Manager found. 2 issues across a massive shop is FA. No mention was made of all the good work done around the rest of the store. That is quite normal.

So I have the same dilemma as last year. I can not afford to be out of work. I need to earn enough to pay my bills or lose my house. The job I am in is destroying me. I can not put in words just what is happening at work. It might sound like I am just moaning. I have worked hard all my life and not afraid of hard work. This is slave labour and mental torture.

My belief is that I have less than 6 weeks left and then I really do not know what to do.
I have already applied for loads of jobs and joined agencies. Not getting anything back.

Family are suggesting I put a sick note in. This has never been my ethic and I think it would work against me longer term.
Right now this morning, I feel sick and dread going back into work.
Are you a Union member?If you are not join one. Usdaw are the retail workers union and are pretty good in my limited experience of meeting their reps at events like Regional TUC meetings. They seem to actually care about their members. Morrisons recognise Usdaw so it should not be a problem being a member. Here's the link if you need it.
USDAW
Go to your GP and get a sick note for as long as you can but ensure that they put work related stress as the sole cause of your illness. Other than your job. your life is perfect!! OK? That's really important - if it wasn't for the stress of work your life would be an endless procession of hearts, flowers and kittens.

However before you go off sick, I would suggest that you read the grievance procedure in your workplace, speak to a Union rep and put in a grievance against the manager who is causing the stress. It sounds like there is a culture of bullying within your workplace. They will then have to investigate a grievance. I would also ask to see an Occupational Health professional which should be done once you mention work related stress. Make sure you see the referral before they send it in - you are entitled to see it and you should know what they are asking about you.

If your employers suggest mediation between you and your manager tell them to do one. Mediation is never appropriate in a bullying situation. There is always a power imbalance and because of the confidentiality of the mediation process it can often mask a wider problem - which seems to exist in your workplace.

You won't be able to claim unfair dismissal (should it come to that- which I hope it doesn't) because you have not worked for that employer for more than 2 years.

Hope this helps x
 
Feel for you, mate. Dreadful situation. Can’t add anything to the good advice you’ve already been given. Maybe worthwhile your union rep raising the issue of you being owed an enhanced duty of care under the Equality Act? Not suggesting your being on antidepressants has contributed to your situation but they should be aware of the increased susceptibility to illness in such a harmful working environment.

Question for @anjelikaferrett - if he only now joins this union group would they agree to take on an existing work issue? I know that some unions insist that any work issue they assist with must have arisen only after start date membership.
 
Feel for you, mate. Dreadful situation. Can’t add anything to the good advice you’ve already been given. Maybe worthwhile your union rep raising the issue of you being owed an enhanced duty of care under the Equality Act? Not suggesting your being on antidepressants has contributed to your situation but they should be aware of the increased susceptibility to illness in such a harmful working environment.

Question for @anjelikaferrett - if he only now joins this union group would they agree to take on an existing work issue? I know that some unions insist that any work issue they assist with must have arisen only after start date membership.
I don't know - depends on the union and sometimes even the branch within the union. I've represented members who have just joined before - our branch does not have a policy that prevents us doing so. HR were really arsey about it, querying if we were allowed to do it. Most places allow you to have a "companion" with you at any formal meeting so even if the branch won't represent you - take somebody who has some knowledge with you. I've done that too when I went as a companion to a mate's husband's factory to help him out!
 
About this time last year I was struggling financially. I had a full time job with Asda, but with all the cut backs to stay in work I took demotions that left me at minimum wage. I needed to take home about £1200 a month to break even with bills, mortgage and car. I was taking home about £1000 a month. I was slowly sliding into debt and could not see a way out, without getting lucky with another job.

I got 'lucky' with another job at Morrisons as Night Manager. On another thread I was sharing with you guys what happens there. I have a 40 hour week contract. The pay is good and clear my needs. However, the job is impossible in 40 hours. Myself and the other 2 night managers work 60 hours a week. We are salaried. We do not earn much above minimum wage when we break down our hours.
The other side of this is that we feel bullied/manipulated into doing the shifts.
I am exhausted mentally, emotionally and physically. We have raised grievances, they get swept under the carpet.
If we state that we will only work our hours, then we get threatened with performance management for not completing the job.

Then last week it happened because we are too vocal.
I have been put on performance management because of standards.I am awaiting a review and technically they could give me 4 weeks notice at the review in two weeks time.
Another manager has been put on investigation for alleged bullying. He isn't a bully.
The third manager has received a warning for working too many hours.

It is all a device to keep us in line and in mycase I suspect to get rid of me.

On Thursday night I snapped. I told the senior line manager that I do not enjoy working with a gun to my head. I stated that they are trying to 'manage' out those whose faces do not fit. (Two team managers walked last week after pressure applied on them). They already know I am on medication for stress related illness. I also added that I would never expect them to admit it. I said they would be delighted if I gave my notice because that is what they are working towards. He chuckled and denied it.

Needless to say on Friday morning I got hauled over the coals on 2 issues the Store Manager found. 2 issues across a massive shop is FA. No mention was made of all the good work done around the rest of the store. That is quite normal.

So I have the same dilemma as last year. I can not afford to be out of work. I need to earn enough to pay my bills or lose my house. The job I am in is destroying me. I can not put in words just what is happening at work. It might sound like I am just moaning. I have worked hard all my life and not afraid of hard work. This is slave labour and mental torture.

My belief is that I have less than 6 weeks left and then I really do not know what to do.
I have already applied for loads of jobs and joined agencies. Not getting anything back.

Family are suggesting I put a sick note in. This has never been my ethic and I think it would work against me longer term.
Right now this morning, I feel sick and dread going back into work.

Sorry to hear this situation mate. I also wouldn’t advise putting in a sick note, this will only exacerbate the issue and may accelerate your departure, it will certainly make it inevitable. It may not be pleasant, but I would continue to go in and tow the line. Do exactly as you’re told. Work the 60 hours over 40 if you’re able to.

You’re simply buying time, keeping them sweet until you can make your departure. It sounds like it isn’t a very nice place to work and you can choose to fight them on that and argue your case (it may change but it’s unlikely - they’ll just get someone else to do it!) or you can simply say “I’m better than this” and make your exit.

Having worked in recruitment for almost 10 years now, I can tell you it’s better to focus on quality of application, not quantity. One tailored application to a job that doesn’t exist will often fare you better than chucking the same CV at 10 vacancies on Indeed, for example (although that route might lead you to a couple of interviews).

I also know that most businesses, particularly in retail, almost always have opportunities that aren’t advertised. You say you’ve worked at ASDA and now Morrisons, so you inevitably have excellent transferrable skills that would fit in well with other retailers.

So how about this for some homework (if it doesn’t get you at least one interview, i’ll be flabbergasted). Make a list of all other similar retailers within what you deem to be a commutable distance of your home.

Tesco’s (Extra’s, Metro’s) / Jack’s, Aldi’s, Lidl’s, Waitrose, Sainsbury, Co-Ops. Maybe even look at other branches of Morrisons or ASDA. You could also extend this to other places of this nature that require Night Managers (Warehouses, Service Stations etc).

Once you’ve got that, call each store / place of work and ask the name of the store manager / general manager. Say you’d like to write them a letter (you don’t have to specify it’s for an application as the receptionist may then fob you off with “visit our website” etc) .

Then print off several copies of your CV. Try to adapt your CV, make it a one-pager if you can and place your most recent role 1st, then work backwards. Be sure to include prominently (toward the top) a list of any eye catching achievements you can think of in your current and previous roles (e.g reduced wastage by X% / created new system which proved to increase shift productivity).

If you have nothing of that ilk, maybe within your cover letter discuss your current situation and why you’re looking to leave (being careful not to talk negatively about your current employer). Maybe say something like “I’ve heard great things from other employees at your store about the working environment and I’m really eager to join a team where my work-ethic and willingness to go above and beyond to ‘get the job done’ will truly be appreciated”

A typed up letter, with accompanying CV, addressed directly to the store manager / general manager / warehouse manager, physically handed in to the store or posted to the warehouse will receive attention. Sounds obvious but make sure you have your home address on there, email address, home number and mobile number - you’d be amazed at the amount of people that don’t include them. Also check your CV for spelling mistakes.

It’s a bit more work than applying to vacancies online, but given your situation, if you do this correctly i’m confident you’ll start to get other opportunities and can be more positive about your situation.

Think how great it will feel to be able to go in, chuck your notice at your boss and tell them your leaving for something better. Good luck with it mate.
 
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About this time last year I was struggling financially. I had a full time job with Asda, but with all the cut backs to stay in work I took demotions that left me at minimum wage. I needed to take home about £1200 a month to break even with bills, mortgage and car. I was taking home about £1000 a month. I was slowly sliding into debt and could not see a way out, without getting lucky with another job.

I got 'lucky' with another job at Morrisons as Night Manager. On another thread I was sharing with you guys what happens there. I have a 40 hour week contract. The pay is good and clear my needs. However, the job is impossible in 40 hours. Myself and the other 2 night managers work 60 hours a week. We are salaried. We do not earn much above minimum wage when we break down our hours.
The other side of this is that we feel bullied/manipulated into doing the shifts.
I am exhausted mentally, emotionally and physically. We have raised grievances, they get swept under the carpet.
If we state that we will only work our hours, then we get threatened with performance management for not completing the job.

Then last week it happened because we are too vocal.
I have been put on performance management because of standards.I am awaiting a review and technically they could give me 4 weeks notice at the review in two weeks time.
Another manager has been put on investigation for alleged bullying. He isn't a bully.
The third manager has received a warning for working too many hours.

It is all a device to keep us in line and in mycase I suspect to get rid of me.

On Thursday night I snapped. I told the senior line manager that I do not enjoy working with a gun to my head. I stated that they are trying to 'manage' out those whose faces do not fit. (Two team managers walked last week after pressure applied on them). They already know I am on medication for stress related illness. I also added that I would never expect them to admit it. I said they would be delighted if I gave my notice because that is what they are working towards. He chuckled and denied it.

Needless to say on Friday morning I got hauled over the coals on 2 issues the Store Manager found. 2 issues across a massive shop is FA. No mention was made of all the good work done around the rest of the store. That is quite normal.

So I have the same dilemma as last year. I can not afford to be out of work. I need to earn enough to pay my bills or lose my house. The job I am in is destroying me. I can not put in words just what is happening at work. It might sound like I am just moaning. I have worked hard all my life and not afraid of hard work. This is slave labour and mental torture.

My belief is that I have less than 6 weeks left and then I really do not know what to do.
I have already applied for loads of jobs and joined agencies. Not getting anything back.

Family are suggesting I put a sick note in. This has never been my ethic and I think it would work against me longer term.
Right now this morning, I feel sick and dread going back into work.
Sounds like a toxic mix mate. And I know the easy solution is to way away, but it is clear they are contributing to your illness and not helping you professionally or personally.
You’ve got a few options which you probably already aware of, 1. Which you are already doing in looking elsewhere and 2. Speaking with HR and laying it all out, getting the professional backing from your employer is so important in this respect because if you ‘snap’ again and they are unaware they will be against you rather than with you.

If this was me, I’d sparkle my CV up a bit look at some courses I could possibly take to freshen it up and show a potential employer I’m actively working to improve myself. Whic I know is easier said that done, and I would 100% drop an email to HR asking for an immediate meeting laying out exactly what you have said here, copy and paste this entire thread you’ve carefully written and read it back to them from your phone if you have to.

The root to me, seems the hours + job are obviously contributing to your mental state and one of them needs addressing before you will see some recovery.
 

I didn’t see @Keiran excellent reply sorry. That’s basically what I’m saying.

Most recruitment agencies will go over your CV with you as well. If you need a hand PM me and I’ll go over for you, I’ve done it for a few and know the lingo.
 
I didn’t see @Keiran excellent reply sorry. That’s basically what I’m saying.

Most recruitment agencies will go over your CV with you as well. If you need a hand PM me and I’ll go over for you, I’ve done it for a few and know the lingo.

Be wary of recruitment agencies too, I’ve seen so many that don’t know the basic pitfalls to avoid with a CV, or how one needs to be formatted or presented to ensure it appears in relevant searches from recruiters.

Most agencies these days are CV flingers. Because the industry has become heavily saturated, agency work (a bit like the media) has become a race to be 1st, rather than sending fewer CVs that better fit the role.

If you take the steps outlined in my previous post, along with regularly searching job boards, you can be your own recruitment agent.
 
I've just had a mid term scan on my chemo. Unfortunately it appears not to be going to plan. At the moment I'm ok as it's kind of what I was expecting but I've now got a decision to make. Continue and hope it starts working but side effects of chemo mean I'm tired a lot or try something different or accept my fate and at least enjoy what I've got left. The scan result is a secret at the minute as I can't cope with the thought of people saying be positive as they don't understand how I feel. I can't explain as I don't really understand how I feel either. It's been such a roller coaster and people have been so kind but ultimately this is a lonely battle.
Someone very close to me is going through chemo.
Stay strong.
 
I've just had a mid term scan on my chemo. Unfortunately it appears not to be going to plan. At the moment I'm ok as it's kind of what I was expecting but I've now got a decision to make. Continue and hope it starts working but side effects of chemo mean I'm tired a lot or try something different or accept my fate and at least enjoy what I've got left. The scan result is a secret at the minute as I can't cope with the thought of people saying be positive as they don't understand how I feel. I can't explain as I don't really understand how I feel either. It's been such a roller coaster and people have been so kind but ultimately this is a lonely battle.
Sorry to hear this. Can't really say anything other than I'm rooting for you. Could you talk to somebody like McMillan or Marie Curie who might be able to tell you what's out there and available for you. Hugs x
 
Can’t remember having seen @goodisonopheliac having posted in here or elsewhere on the site for a while. Notice her profile appears to have disappeared. Hope everything is OK with her. She appears to have had a few personal problems, but also made some great contributions. Keep well if you’re reading and come back to us.

Just to let you know, they are ok.

 

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