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Discussion & help on depression & mental health related issues

I don't really know how to post this so I'll just have to say it directly. I've deliberated posting this for a while now and always clicked off so taking a lot to write this.

On New year's Eve I lost my nan. Around half 11 to be precise. I had no way of getting over there by the time I found out so all i can do is support my mum every step of the way. I'm not a person who really deals with emotions about anything, going the flat was a coping mechanism simply to have it all hit me. As you can probably expect I was close to her and essentially she helped raise me , all through my life I have memories.

The last week has been none stop with problems with everything , believe me I haven't had time to grieve or deal with it properly as a result. Plus still being normal for the family is a big thing for me. Can't have them see me upset , which I know isn't the right attitude but there you go.

Anyway, I went the bank with my mum to close it over today as my auntie was the nominated person to take money out for my nan whilst she was still alive. So she would take money out for her on her behalf when she asked and that only really was for shopping or going the pub with my mum on a Monday night. Nothing excessive bar a phone bill for about 20 quid. There was no card , it was simply a paying in book that she would take and withdraw each amount. Up until now she has always forgot to bring the book with her when she met up with my mum.

After over an hour in the bank after they couldn't find her account we found out 2 things. One was that sometime in the past she had changed the bank address to her own without telling anyone.

The second? She has been withdrawing every penny out the account for as long as we know. Even 12 months ago she was taking every penny out, she knew what went in and when it did so that meant more than one trip to the bank a week sometimes. We are talking thousands here , not just a few quid off the top like I thought it would be. My nan died with 160 pounds to her name.

To be honest I have no idea how to feel, about what to do. They is no money to get back from her as she would never have it to pay back. Plus why claim the money? It belonged to my nan only , noone has claim to it. The other side is criminal activity but my mum wouldn't want to send her sister to prison. So I have no idea what to do and the weight of the world is on my shoulders because it's going to have to be me to bring all this out . I'm not just losing my nan , I'm losing an aunt, uncle , cousins here.

Also for context , my auntie chose to go home drinking for new year after knowing her mum was dying. Didn't go to see her Christmas day in hospital . She did however go and take more money out the day she died, possibly even after knowing.

In total since my nan went into hospital she has taken out anywhere between 1000-1500 with my mum only seeing 300 for the funeral . She has withdrew for herself since my nan died 600 pounds , possibly more as the statement only went to friday and she let slip she has been yesterday even.

So yeah , sorry for the long post . I know there isn't an answer in all of this and it's an impossible situation. I just don't know how to feel knowing what's to come and then weight of it all on my shoulders now. even now I haven't got time to deal with anything and I have work to go back to next week so that's not going to be encouraging.

Sorry for the post

Yeah, you have to do something about that. It'll eat you up otherwise. It's important to remember that its your auntie who wrote the problems, not you.

Is it possible to talk to her first?
 
Mark Twain.
My bad! But didn't Churchill also suffer from the 'black dog' of depression and look what he achieved presumably without the sort of support available nowadays. So guys, with the help, support and acknowledgement of the illness that is available to us today we should not feel isolated and be prepared to reach out. It is not a slight on our characters nor will we be ridiculed if we open about our issues. It is a braver thing to admit a problem than to try and pretend it doesn't exist.
Talk, talk, talk - don't bottle things up. You may be surprised and even shocked to discover how many of us are battling the same demons but together we can beat this....or, at least, make it just that bit more bearable because we are not alone in this fight!
Much love, Blues
 
My bad! But didn't Churchill also suffer from the 'black dog' of depression and look what he achieved presumably without the sort of support available nowadays. So guys, with the help, support and acknowledgement of the illness that is available to us today we should not feel isolated and be prepared to reach out. It is not a slight on our characters nor will we be ridiculed if we open about our issues. It is a braver thing to admit a problem than to try and pretend it doesn't exist.
Talk, talk, talk - don't bottle things up. You may be surprised and even shocked to discover how many of us are battling the same demons but together we can beat this....or, at least, make it just that bit more bearable because we are not alone in this fight!
Much love, Blues


Absolutely, and sorry for the pedantry.

Churchill was, in all probability, an undiagnosed manic depressive. Incredible focus and burst of energy across numerous activities (even in his later years he painted landscapes well at a phenomenal rate and his written output was prolific) but prone to bouts of drawing the curtains and hiding from the world for days at a time. The help he had was his wife, whisky and the written word. Probably not ideal, but as you say, we have a lot more available to us today,

Nice post.
 
Absolutely, and sorry for the pedantry.

Churchill was, in all probability, an undiagnosed manic depressive. Incredible focus and burst of energy across numerous activities (even in his later years he painted landscapes well at a phenomenal rate and his written output was prolific) but prone to bouts of drawing the curtains and hiding from the world for days at a time. The help he had was his wife, whisky and the written word. Probably not ideal, but as you say, we have a lot more available to us today,

Nice post.
Useless fact of the day : Churchill was a member of the Amalgamated Union of Bricklayers. He used to lay bricks for building walls as a means of relaxation.
 

Useless fact of the day : Churchill was a member of the Amalgamated Union of Bricklayers. He used to lay bricks for building walls as a means of relaxation.

Possessed near insane physical courage as well. Boris Johnson would do well to remember, when he attempts to present himself in Churchill's mould, that he took the whole blame for Gallipoli (when it didn't rest anything like solely with him) and sent himself to the Western Front in penance. As the colonel of an infantry regiment, not sitting in a chateau miles back.
 
I don't really know how to post this so I'll just have to say it directly. I've deliberated posting this for a while now and always clicked off so taking a lot to write this.

On New year's Eve I lost my nan. Around half 11 to be precise. I had no way of getting over there by the time I found out so all i can do is support my mum every step of the way. I'm not a person who really deals with emotions about anything, going the flat was a coping mechanism simply to have it all hit me. As you can probably expect I was close to her and essentially she helped raise me , all through my life I have memories.

The last week has been none stop with problems with everything , believe me I haven't had time to grieve or deal with it properly as a result. Plus still being normal for the family is a big thing for me. Can't have them see me upset , which I know isn't the right attitude but there you go.

Anyway, I went the bank with my mum to close it over today as my auntie was the nominated person to take money out for my nan whilst she was still alive. So she would take money out for her on her behalf when she asked and that only really was for shopping or going the pub with my mum on a Monday night. Nothing excessive bar a phone bill for about 20 quid. There was no card , it was simply a paying in book that she would take and withdraw each amount. Up until now she has always forgot to bring the book with her when she met up with my mum.

After over an hour in the bank after they couldn't find her account we found out 2 things. One was that sometime in the past she had changed the bank address to her own without telling anyone.

The second? She has been withdrawing every penny out the account for as long as we know. Even 12 months ago she was taking every penny out, she knew what went in and when it did so that meant more than one trip to the bank a week sometimes. We are talking thousands here , not just a few quid off the top like I thought it would be. My nan died with 160 pounds to her name.

To be honest I have no idea how to feel, about what to do. They is no money to get back from her as she would never have it to pay back. Plus why claim the money? It belonged to my nan only , noone has claim to it. The other side is criminal activity but my mum wouldn't want to send her sister to prison. So I have no idea what to do and the weight of the world is on my shoulders because it's going to have to be me to bring all this out . I'm not just losing my nan , I'm losing an aunt, uncle , cousins here.

Also for context , my auntie chose to go home drinking for new year after knowing her mum was dying. Didn't go to see her Christmas day in hospital . She did however go and take more money out the day she died, possibly even after knowing.

In total since my nan went into hospital she has taken out anywhere between 1000-1500 with my mum only seeing 300 for the funeral . She has withdrew for herself since my nan died 600 pounds , possibly more as the statement only went to friday and she let slip she has been yesterday even.

So yeah , sorry for the long post . I know there isn't an answer in all of this and it's an impossible situation. I just don't know how to feel knowing what's to come and then weight of it all on my shoulders now. even now I haven't got time to deal with anything and I have work to go back to next week so that's not going to be encouraging.

Sorry for the post

Hi mate,

This is such a tragic state of affairs in so many ways and what your Aunt has got up to must be tearing you up.

Was there a power of attorney over your Nan`s financial affairs - has to be two people to try and stop what happened happening or even forged signatures ?

If so, your Aunt may have committed criminal offences, as she will have acted without the knowledge of the second person who has power of attorney.

Either way, I`d advise you to seek legal advice as to what she has done.

I believe Age Concern may be able to advise, as this sort of thing sadly isn`t uncommon.

The rest of your family need to know what your Aunt has done, as if you keep it in house with you and your mum, fingers may be pointed at you too - why didn`t they tell anyone / what have they got to hide too ?

Plus the knowledge of what she has done will eat you up.
 
I don't really know how to post this so I'll just have to say it directly. I've deliberated posting this for a while now and always clicked off so taking a lot to write this.

On New year's Eve I lost my nan. Around half 11 to be precise. I had no way of getting over there by the time I found out so all i can do is support my mum every step of the way. I'm not a person who really deals with emotions about anything, going the flat was a coping mechanism simply to have it all hit me. As you can probably expect I was close to her and essentially she helped raise me , all through my life I have memories.

The last week has been none stop with problems with everything , believe me I haven't had time to grieve or deal with it properly as a result. Plus still being normal for the family is a big thing for me. Can't have them see me upset , which I know isn't the right attitude but there you go.

Anyway, I went the bank with my mum to close it over today as my auntie was the nominated person to take money out for my nan whilst she was still alive. So she would take money out for her on her behalf when she asked and that only really was for shopping or going the pub with my mum on a Monday night. Nothing excessive bar a phone bill for about 20 quid. There was no card , it was simply a paying in book that she would take and withdraw each amount. Up until now she has always forgot to bring the book with her when she met up with my mum.

After over an hour in the bank after they couldn't find her account we found out 2 things. One was that sometime in the past she had changed the bank address to her own without telling anyone.

The second? She has been withdrawing every penny out the account for as long as we know. Even 12 months ago she was taking every penny out, she knew what went in and when it did so that meant more than one trip to the bank a week sometimes. We are talking thousands here , not just a few quid off the top like I thought it would be. My nan died with 160 pounds to her name.

To be honest I have no idea how to feel, about what to do. They is no money to get back from her as she would never have it to pay back. Plus why claim the money? It belonged to my nan only , noone has claim to it. The other side is criminal activity but my mum wouldn't want to send her sister to prison. So I have no idea what to do and the weight of the world is on my shoulders because it's going to have to be me to bring all this out . I'm not just losing my nan , I'm losing an aunt, uncle , cousins here.

Also for context , my auntie chose to go home drinking for new year after knowing her mum was dying. Didn't go to see her Christmas day in hospital . She did however go and take more money out the day she died, possibly even after knowing.

In total since my nan went into hospital she has taken out anywhere between 1000-1500 with my mum only seeing 300 for the funeral . She has withdrew for herself since my nan died 600 pounds , possibly more as the statement only went to friday and she let slip she has been yesterday even.

So yeah , sorry for the long post . I know there isn't an answer in all of this and it's an impossible situation. I just don't know how to feel knowing what's to come and then weight of it all on my shoulders now. even now I haven't got time to deal with anything and I have work to go back to next week so that's not going to be encouraging.

Sorry for the post

Christ, that's awful. Is your aunt not popular with the family or something? Why would she do such an abhorrent thing?
 
Christ, that's awful. Is your aunt not popular with the family or something? Why would she do such an abhorrent thing?

My mother in law has two sisters, who on the face of it are the epitome of white middle class respectable ladies.

Within hours of their mum being dead they’d raided her house for her jewellery and antiques.

I’ve heard similar stories many times.

A death can bring out the very worst in people, as well as the best.
 
My mother in law has two sisters, who on the face of it are the epitome of white middle class respectable ladies.

Within hours of their mum being dead they’d raided her house for her jewellery and antiques.

I’ve heard similar stories many times.

A death can bring out the very worst in people, as well as the best.
It's very common isn't it, seen it myself too. Some people are like vultures.
 

Hi mate,

This is such a tragic state of affairs in so many ways and what your Aunt has got up to must be tearing you up.

Was there a power of attorney over your Nan`s financial affairs - has to be two people to try and stop what happened happening or even forged signatures ?

If so, your Aunt may have committed criminal offences, as she will have acted without the knowledge of the second person who has power of attorney.

Either way, I`d advise you to seek legal advice as to what she has done.

I believe Age Concern may be able to advise, as this sort of thing sadly isn`t uncommon.

The rest of your family need to know what your Aunt has done, as if you keep it in house with you and your mum, fingers may be pointed at you too - why didn`t they tell anyone / what have they got to hide too ?

Plus the knowledge of what she has done will eat you up.

Gone through a horribly similar situation over the last 18 months and this is all spot on.

Thoughts with you @Kenshin but deffo start looking into all of the above.
 
I'm afraid this isn't going to end well and unless your Aunt comes clean it's going to cause no end of a rift in the family. Don't know how close your Mum is to her sister or whether she would wish to take her to account for the sake of family dynamics.
It's a rotten situation when people you thought loved your Nan were secretly taking advantage. Sticks like a fishbone in the throat.
One thing for sure, this could develop into a major rift especially between your Mum and her sister (small 's' because her actions don't deserve anything more) but I wonder if it may be something the two need to sort out together. Maybe threaten to tell the family unless she comes clean and can justify her abhorrent actions before getting legal?
One thing is for sure, blood is thicker than water and would your Aunt wish to shove a wedge between her and your Mum. In time she may develop shame - none of us are getting any younger - and regret her actions as they clearly are hurting the ones she professes to love.
Take solace from knowing Nan is in a better place and would not have condoned her daughters actions. If your Aunt can sleep knowing that she has taken such advantage without thought to her nearest and dearest then Karma will have a way of putting things straight.
I hope mattes are resolved, amicably, but emotions are running high and you need to let things settle before taking your next step.
In the meantime, so sorry for your loss
 

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