2019/20 Dominic Calvert-Lewin

[Zatara]

In what way does it not make sense. If Dom played elsewhere you’d look at him and his stats and say he’s crapper than some random kid from a foreign league. It’s pretty straightforward.

Youve literally just written that if West Ham had an English 22 year old centre forward scoring better than a goal every 3 games (in that position) worth of minutes Id rather sign a 17 year old in Holland.

DCL would then be hitting a similar strike rate as Haller -- who cost £45mil and is 3 years older -- with more motm awards this season...

West Ham would probably rate him at £60mil+ which would obviously make your post totally nonsensical.

Are you trying to sound 'edgy' ?

 

[alwaysblue]

Found this, his stats are terrible, but strangely his defensive stats aren’t bad. https://www.premierleague.com/players/9576/Dominic-Calvert-Lewin/stats

According to Transfermarkt he has played a total of 6006 minutes in all competitions for Everton over 113 appearances and scored 24 goals. Which averages out at just about a goal in every three games. Granted some of the goals were against lesser opposition. He has also played on the wing for quite a few of those minutes.

Whatever the stats say I know what I see with my own eyes and that is a player that has improved season upon season and seems to be getting better each game this year. He learns from his mistakes too. Come on DCL

 

[Tel001]

No one has ever made those comments. The ONLY thing posters have done is comment that certain leading players took time to reach a level of goalscoring consistency.



Kane looked absolutely dreadful when he was younger...a lot of posters on here couldnt understand how he kept being selected



If a player gets 1 minute of every match as a sub for 90 games and scores 1 goal, then only a fool would count that as 1 goal in 90 games when measuring statistics.

Its far too simplistic.




In terms of minutes played I think last season we saw him begin to evolve after January and then now has taken another step forward in terms of all round play.

It seems alot is to do with his confidence and getting (shock horror) a run in the team.



The only way to assess forwards goalscoring stats is based on mins per goal as a sub/starter and then break that down per position they played in.

I would imagine he has better than 1 in 3 when played as a centre forward.

It really isnt hard to understand.



He was racially abused.
He had 1 year on his deal.
He had several experienced players including Ronaldo ahead of him.
His agent is Mino Raiola.
We paid a higher fee to have the buyback removed.

Sorry ... people compare him to shearer , sharp, Kane and drogba at the same age and use it as an example to try to solidify their argument that we should persevere with him.

 

[carolinablue232]

Youve literally just written that if West Ham had an English 22 year old centre forward scoring better than a goal every 3 games (in that position) worth of minutes Id rather sign a 17 year old in Holland.

DCL would then be hitting a similar strike rate as Haller -- who cost £45mil and is 3 years older -- with more motm awards this season...

West Ham would probably rate him at £60mil+ which would obviously make your post totally nonsensical.

Are you trying to sound 'edgy' ?

No Zat, you’d see 16 in 90+ like everyone else and say there’s a 1 in 2 striker that we should be aiming for elsewhere. It’s not that hard to figure out.
Your searching for ways to defend him, like others. Fair play and he’s looked decent recently. But stop pretending like you’re evaluating him as if he didn’t play for Everton. You’ve got your blue tinted specs on here.

 

[Grinch]

I just have a good feeling a competent manager that will hold people accountable... DCL will turn into a top 10 striker in PL

 

[Zatara]

Sorry ... people compare him to shearer , sharp, Kane and drogba at the same age and use it as an example to try to solidify their argument that we should persevere with him.

Well yeah...whats wrong with that? I dont think anyone has said he will be that level just that others have taken time to develop...

No Zat, you’d see 16 in 90+ like everyone else and say there’s a 1 in 2 striker that we should be aiming for elsewhere. It’s not that hard to figure out.
Your searching for ways to defend him, like others. Fair play and he’s looked decent recently. But stop pretending like you’re evaluating him as if he didn’t play for Everton. You’ve got your blue tinted specs on here.

Well clearly not as per the West Ham example i replied to...

DCL is a valuable squad player. Hes not the best around but hes not bad...

 

[TheBigIguana]

No Zat, you’d see 16 in 90+ like everyone else and say there’s a 1 in 2 striker that we should be aiming for elsewhere. It’s not that hard to figure out.
Your searching for ways to defend him, like others. Fair play and he’s looked decent recently. But stop pretending like you’re evaluating him as if he didn’t play for Everton. You’ve got your blue tinted specs on here.

16 in 94 is what the basic figures are fair enough, but in reality is has played about 5000 minutes which is only 56 or so games assuming he plays 90 minutes each game. The number of sub appearances he has had skews that pretty significantly. 1 in 3-4 isn't great but is at least understandable for a player his age while 1 in 6 is unforgivable. So it makes a difference when you don't dig into that at all.

Now 1 in 3-4 is still not good enough but within that you can see clear year to year improvement. Two years ago a goal every 450 minutes, last year it was down to one every 300 minutes and thus far this year it is one every 200. Other stats show a similar trend. The kid is still getting better.

All that said I still don't really know if he is going to be good enough ultimately. Especially when presumably we are going to actually try to pass the ball around at some point and he is way better suited to the direct game. But to give up on a 23 year old striker who is scoring close to 1 in 2 by minutes for the season and showing a pretty clear upward trend would be straight up insanity.

 

[John Barton]

Sorry ... people compare him to shearer , sharp, Kane and drogba at the same age and use it as an example to try to solidify their argument that we should persevere with him.

I am sure I read somewhere that up to the age of 24, Drogba had a 1 goal in 4 game record
then he just started scoring for fun

 

[TheBigIguana]

I am sure I read somewhere that up to the age of 24, Drogba had a 1 goal in 4 game record
then he just started scoring for fun

It definitely isn't unheard of for a striker with impressive physical traits to figure it out a bit later on in their career. Drogba is one for sure but Vardy also springs to mind.

 

[carolinablue232]

16 in 94 is what the basic figures are fair enough, but in reality is has played about 5000 minutes which is only 56 or so games assuming he plays 90 minutes each game. The number of sub appearances he has had skews that pretty significantly. 1 in 3-4 isn't great but is at least understandable for a player his age while 1 in 6 is unforgivable. So it makes a difference when you don't dig into that at all.

Now 1 in 3-4 is still not good enough but within that you can see clear year to year improvement. Two years ago a goal every 450 minutes, last year it was down to one every 300 minutes and thus far this year it is one every 200. Other stats show a similar trend. The kid is still getting better.

All that said I still don't really know if he is going to be good enough ultimately. Especially when presumably we are going to actually try to pass the ball around at some point and he is way better suited to the direct game. But to give up on a 23 year old striker who is scoring close to 1 in 2 by minutes for the season and showing a pretty clear upward trend would be straight up insanity.

I’ve said it multiple times, no one is giving up on him. But I’m also not going to say he’s good enough. There are so many better strikers out there at this point in time so why settle?

 

[TheBigIguana]

I’ve said it multiple times, no one is giving up on him. But I’m also not going to say he’s good enough. There are so many better strikers out there at this point in time so why settle?

Well for the next 6 months or so he's what we have along with Richarlison. I don't think that's necessarily settling if the options to buy anyone else aren't there and it really hasn't felt like they have been since we sold Rom. Maybe I missed someone but have any clubs at our level signed proven top goalscorers in recent years? Dom, Rich and Kean is fine while we fix the rest of the squad as all are at an age where they could emerge and fix the problem up top with no additional spending.

 

[little elfin]

90+4 minutes, still 1-1, our forward is one on one against the keeper. Who is your choice?
a. DCL
b. Richarlison
c. Kean
d. Tosun
e. Niasse

 

[TheBigIguana]

90+4 minutes, still 1-1, our forward is one on one against the keeper. Who is your choice?
a. DCL
b. Richarlison
c. Kean
d. Tosun
e. Niasse

Richarlison

 

[Del-boy]

Not good enough if we want to get into the top 6. Simple as that really.

 

[Zatara]

I’ve said it multiple times, no one is giving up on him. But I’m also not going to say he’s good enough. There are so many better strikers out there at this point in time so why settle?

In that case can you name a few who are similar e.g:

English (for home grown quota)
22 years old or younger (to develop)
Same or better goalscoring record
Available to join Everton football club

90+4 minutes, still 1-1, our forward is one on one against the keeper. Who is your choice?
a. DCL
b. Richarlison
c. Kean
d. Tosun
e. Niasse

Kean Richarlison then DCL