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2019/20 Dominic Calvert-Lewin

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ProZ said:
Lad, he's absolute plop, the best thing people can say is he's an athlete and a nice lad it's getting tiresome
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Don't think there is a player out there let alone available to Everton that will work the line and create the space for the likes of Richarlson Siggy and knock in 15+ goals for themselves.

The likes of Gomes Walcott and Bernard need to add goals, midfield apart from Siggy was pitiful in goal return.

Anyway, I'm off to feed my two unicorns...
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Don't think there is a player out there let alone available to Everton that will work the line and create the space for the likes of Richarlson Siggy and knock in 15+ goals for themselves.

The likes of Gomes Walcott and Bernard need to add goals, midfield apart from Siggy was pitiful in goal return.

Anyway, I'm off to feed my two unicorns...
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we are paying Brands millions of pounds to find just these types of players though ??
 
In this thread; moaning Everton fans bashing their own player, a 22 year old who could potentially have a decade ahead of him playing top-flight football, because he's not the finished article just yet and the club itself hasn't provided suitable enough options.
 
dvm2378 said:
no mate, that is not it all. People are allowed to see something in a player who was part of a good turn in form at the back end of last season. Others are entitled to not rate him as well. Nothing to do with accepting mid table, we all want the same thing. Stop making it more than it is. Do I personally think long term DCL is the answer, I am still unsure, I would hope Keane comes in & hits the ground running & Force DCL to up his game. The interest in Zaha showed to me that the club want 3 lads with pace & power up top & I would think that in Jan or defo next summer another player will be brought in. Until then we have to get behind the lad & hope he improves his goal tally
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Very good post mate.

I think the problem here is that a lot of our fans see things very much as black and white. Players are either good enough to start every game for Everton now, or they aren't good enough to play for us at all. There are no grey/middle area's and it's a problem you will ultimately see replicated in every single one of our young player's threads. DCL is not an exception. Whilst this may appear a very blinkered outlook to many of us, it doesn't make them any less an Everton supporter.

Conversely there are a very small number of fans who think DCL is ready now to lead our line. I don't think this is a view held by many but unfortunately it gives the "haters" on here the ammunition to make some of the posts we see all too regularly.

The truth, as usual, is somewhere in the middle. DCL is a young promising player who doesn't yet score enough goals to be considered first choice striker for a team of Everton's ambition. He has however improved many aspects of his game over the last couple of seasons, and he is very effective for us in certain types of game, such as where the plan is to press from the front, and when we play a counter attacking game with a lone striker to occupy their defenders. In this regard he played a major part in the teams performances at the end of last season when we secured some very good results against 5 of the top 6.

The bottom line at the moment though is that he doesn't have enough goals in his game. In fact you could reasonably argue that he is poor in front of goal, often lacking composure and movement and seemingly unable to anticipate crosses on from wide positions. Can he improve in this area?, most certainly in my opinion, although he does lack that natural instinct that singles out the best goal scorers. Will he improve in this area is a much harder question to answer though. For me, he adds so much more to the team he doesn't need to be prolific, but at the moment he misses 3 out of 4 clear cut chances, and if he can just get this to 1 in 2 he will double his goal tally and justify his place in the squad going forward.

At 22, he is still young enough to persevere with for another couple of seasons. If he can get his seasonal tally upto around 11/12, then that will do for me. I do however believe we will always need another more natural goal scorer in the squad to start games we expect to dominate, and hopefully the boy Kean will provide that role for at least the next few seasons. I fear though that, whatever he does in the future, he would probably need to score over 20 every season for the haters to stop hating. And I just can't see that happening.
 

BigBlueNose said:
we are paying Brands millions of pounds to find just these types of players though ??
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I can think of two players who could do a job in current set up. However, Drogba is retired and Kane, appears happy at Spurs, not sure why, I can take over spurs in a jiffy on the PC, fine him put him in reserves, complete turn, low and behold I'm Everton manager, put in bid for Kane off load Tosun and Niasse, it really is that easy. DCL as back up. Who needs Brands?
 
Doubt we'll ever see it but I think a DCL - Kean partnership would work really well.

DCL reminds me of an early Heskey, excellent at bringing others into play, is everything you'd want physically of a striker but simply isn't prolific in front of goal (one season withstanding for Heskey).

Whether we could play a 4-4-2 with the personnel we have, I'm not sure, but their skillsets seem like they'd make a really good pair.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
Very good post mate.

I think the problem here is that a lot of our fans see things very much as black and white. Players are either good enough to start every game for Everton now, or they aren't good enough to play for us at all. There are no grey/middle area's and it's a problem you will ultimately see replicated in every single one of our young player's threads. DCL is not an exception. Whilst this may appear a very blinkered outlook to many of us, it doesn't make them any less an Everton supporter.

Conversely there are a very small number of fans who think DCL is ready now to lead our line. I don't think this is a view held by many but unfortunately it gives the "haters" on here the ammunition to make some of the posts we see all too regularly.

The truth, as usual, is somewhere in the middle. DCL is a young promising player who doesn't yet score enough goals to be considered first choice striker for a team of Everton's ambition. He has however improved many aspects of his game over the last couple of seasons, and he is very effective for us in certain types of game, such as where the plan is to press from the front, and when we play a counter attacking game with a lone striker to occupy their defenders. In this regard he played a major part in the teams performances at the end of last season when we secured some very good results against 5 of the top 6.

The bottom line at the moment though is that he doesn't have enough goals in his game. In fact you could reasonably argue that he is poor in front of goal, often lacking composure and movement and seemingly unable to anticipate crosses on from wide positions. Can he improve in this area?, most certainly in my opinion, although he does lack that natural instinct that singles out the best goal scorers. Will he improve in this area is a much harder question to answer though. For me, he adds so much more to the team he doesn't need to be prolific, but at the moment he misses 3 out of 4 clear cut chances, and if he can just get this to 1 in 2 he will double his goal tally and justify his place in the squad going forward.

At 22, he is still young enough to persevere with for another couple of seasons. If he can get his seasonal tally upto around 11/12, then that will do for me. I do however believe we will always need another more natural goal scorer in the squad to start games we expect to dominate, and hopefully the boy Kean will provide that role for at least the next few seasons. I fear though that, whatever he does in the future, he would probably need to score over 20 every season for the haters to stop hating. And I just can't see that happening.
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in a nutshell mate
 
Giraffe_Baker said:
Doubt we'll ever see it but I think a DCL - Kean partnership would work really well.

DCL reminds me of an early Heskey, excellent at bringing others into play, is everything you'd want physically of a striker but simply isn't prolific in front of goal (one season withstanding for Heskey).

Whether we could play a 4-4-2 with the personnel we have, I'm not sure, but their skillsets seem like they'd make a really good pair.
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I agree with this. DCL winning the aerial battles and knocking out hem down for kean to run on to
 

18Chris87 said:
In this thread; moaning Everton fans bashing their own player, a 22 year old who could potentially have a decade ahead of him playing top-flight football, because he's not the finished article just yet and the club itself hasn't provided suitable enough options.
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I find this a really bizarre line of argument. People are just talking about his ability levels. Nobody thinks he picks himself, no player picks themselves, so it's a really odd thing to say. If you think the owner, chairman, director of football and manager aren't also getting stick, I suggest you pop into their threads every now and again just to highlight how wrong you are.
 
Giraffe_Baker said:
Doubt we'll ever see it but I think a DCL - Kean partnership would work really well.

DCL reminds me of an early Heskey, excellent at bringing others into play, is everything you'd want physically of a striker but simply isn't prolific in front of goal (one season withstanding for Heskey).

Whether we could play a 4-4-2 with the personnel we have, I'm not sure, but their skillsets seem like they'd make a really good pair.
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Is he though, his link up play is bang average verging on poor, nothing sticks with him and we can't play off him
 
Barnfred 55 said:
Hope not. If Kean is anything like fit I'd start him, even if it's only for an hour. DCL is far better running in behind and there won't be much space for him in this game. I'd probably even bring in Tosun before him
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I'll be absolutely staggered to see Kean starting this. Silva showed last season he'd rather phase people in, so I expect him to come off the bench like he did on Saturday.
 

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