2019/20 Dominic Calvert-Lewin

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Might be good to alternate these two to get the best out of them. Like to see Kean start and DCL off the bench.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I'll be absolutely staggered to see Kean starting this. Silva showed last season he'd rather phase people in, so I expect him to come off the bench like he did on Saturday.

You're probably right. I'm just saying what I'd like to see.

DCL has shown very little when having to play predominantly with his back to goal. Same with Richy.

If Kean has been showing decently in training I'd start with him. Don't expect him to be able to last longer than 60, but I'd rather start him than bring him on late when we may be chasing the game.

 

[Lanolin]

Fair enough. I agree with you that there needs to be a balance in views. As I've said throughout there are things he needs to work on.

As regards the terrorising defenders, I'm sorry but I think he did. I think Mustafi went to bed having nightmares about him after playing him. He bossed United's centre halves as well. There is no shortage of golden age thinking with performances, that performances 20 years ago were different. I thought in (particularly) those two games he overpowered the opponents defences and got critical assists in the games.

That has to be balanced out though against what he does in other games. It's not good enough to be so dominant against sides in the top 6 and then not score goals against your Fulhams, your Crystal Palace's and have a peripheral impact upon the game.

If you want to talk about Lukaku, whathe did was capitalise fully on those sort of opponents. And it's no bad thing, because it means games that may end 1-1, or 0-0 you end up winning 2 or 3 -1. They are the games we need to win if we want to take the next step.

I don't think I've said people are too thick to see what I see. I don't remember calling anyone thick. If people put comparisons up of Niasse's goals to Calvert Lewin's goals then I would say it's an overly simplistic comparison. I also think it has some merit by the way, Niasse makes things happen and he deserves credit for that. However there's a reason why no PL side will even consider him as a loan option.

As for the agenda, I do think there's a bit of an agenda from specific posters who seem to be very negative across a number of threads. Whenever something goes wrong not to plan they are busy finding the easiest targets and putting up stats such as the one about the Niasse V Calvert Lewin goal returns.

Yet when some stats are shown back to them that his goals for minute is presented it's intimated that you are too stupid to understand football for deigning to make a comparison. Yet to suggest there might be an agenda means I have crossed the line of acceptability. I am fine with disagreement too, but thats different to persistent negativity.

Where I would disagree with you is I don’t think there’s a big difference, if any difference actually, in his performances against big sides as opposed to the lower table teams.

The difference is just our expectations I think. I agree with @JimmyK that he wasn't terrorising defenders, he was just making life difficult for them. He chased and harried and put himself about. Those teams were trying to get on the front foot against us and his defending from the front and chasing lost causes made life difficult. We as fans love that.

Against the lesser sides he does exactly the same things, but those sides are often sitting deeper and we’re not turning them or taking them out of their comfort zone. This means he’s less effective and we start looking for him to actually produce real quality to make a difference rather than just effort, and that’s when his limitations become more obvious, because he hasn’t got it.

I’d also dispute that his hold up and link up play is great. He’s effective, but often quite slow and deliberate I find. He’ll take a ball down and then take 4-5 touches and lay it off someone on the halfway line. We keep the ball which is good - particularly against those good sides, which is a perception thing again - but sometimes you want to see him turn and run, or fizz a first time ball and then set off for the box.

 

[Archer]

We talk about his finishing but he also has a big issue with actually getting chances. You never see him gambling on balls in the box or making good runs.

Walcott's finishing may have gone to pieces last season but DCL could learn a lot from him in terms of movement and making intelligent runs. There's a reason he gets so many chances.

 

[Glasshalffull]

Where I would disagree with you is I don’t think there’s a big difference, if any difference actually, in his performances against big sides as opposed to the lower table teams.

The difference is just our expectations I think. I agree with @JimmyK that he wasn't terrorising defenders, he was just making life difficult for them. He chased and harried and put himself about. Those teams were trying to get on the front foot against us and his defending from the front and chasing lost causes made life difficult. We as fans love that.

Against the lesser sides he does exactly the same things, but those sides are often sitting deeper and we’re not turning them or taking them out of their comfort zone. This means he’s less effective and we start looking for him to actually produce real quality to make a difference rather than just effort, and that’s when his limitations become more obvious, because he hasn’t got it.

I’d also dispute that his hold up and link up play is great. He’s effective, but often quite slow and deliberate I find. He’ll take a ball down and then take 4-5 touches and lay it off someone on the halfway line. We keep the ball which is good - particularly against those good sides, which is a perception thing again - but sometimes you want to see him turn and run, or fizz a first time ball and then set off for the box.

Thank God there's somebody else concerned about his pedestrian, not to say soporific, hold-up play. After his first touch you could nip off, have a wee, buy and eat a couple of pies, and still get back before his eventual (invariably backward) lay off.

 

[carolinablue232]

Hope not. If Kean is anything like fit I'd start him, even if it's only for an hour. DCL is far better running in behind and there won't be much space for him in this game. I'd probably even bring in Tosun before him

I agree. I just know it’s going to happen.

 

[Giraffe_Baker]

Is he though, his link up play is bang average verging on poor, nothing sticks with him and we can't play off him

Think that's harsh when our best run of form last year came with him leading the line and playing well in the process.

 

[sageyefc]

Think that's harsh when our best run of form last year came with him leading the line and playing well in the process.

There were many factors too it

 

[Paul Rideout]

We talk about his finishing but he also has a big issue with actually getting chances. You never see him gambling on balls in the box or making good runs.

Walcott's finishing may have gone to pieces last season but DCL could learn a lot from him in terms of movement and making intelligent runs. There's a reason he gets so many chances.

My old man always says don’t be bothered about missing chances, be bothered about not getting them. I think this is DCL’s challenge.

Andy Cole (he get the ball he does f all) used to mess up a fair few of the chances he got, but he’d get like 4 or 5 solid chances a game.

 

[Glasshalffull]

My old man always says don’t be bothered about missing chances, be bothered about not getting them. I think this is DCL’s challenge.

Andy Cole (he get the ball he does f all) used to mess up a fair few of the chances he got, but he’d get like 4 or 5 solid chances a game.

Although the chances you 'get' depend on your running, football brain, and quality of pass to you, I think we need to bear in mind the universally accepted 'oo bugger!' rule. If you look at top goal scorers, I bet half of their goals occur where they're not in the clear, but are jockeying with one defender between them and goal. Top scorers have the ability to make half a yard of space and speed of foot to whack a firm shot on target before the the defender can block. When you're up against a single defender, he should be thinking, "I've got this, I've got this.....oo, bugger!". I doubt DCL will ever make a defender think this.

 

[Efcjake]

Lads he's just not a very good striker. He's not going to turn into one overnight and some of you are so desperate to be correct about his quality that he will still be considered a yoof with potential for another four or five years.

It's the club's fault we have had to watch him start for us these last two years but I can't bear him anymore. He's no better than Tosun and if you're going to argue that then you're lying to yourself.

Not every player is going to be Wayne Rooney but this lad is barely John Rooney.

 

[AmericasToffee]

There were many factors too it

DCL's hold up play and pressure being one of them. Finishing? Not so much. At all.

 

[Deco]

Lads he's just not a very good striker. He's not going to turn into one overnight and some of you are so desperate to be correct about his quality that he will still be considered a yoof with potential for another four or five years.

It's the club's fault we have had to watch him start for us these last two years but I can't bear him anymore. He's no better than Tosun and if you're going to argue that then you're lying to yourself.

Not every player is going to be Wayne Rooney but this lad is barely John Rooney.

Works both ways, some are desperate to write off a 22 year old.

I think it’s a lot more reasonable to think there’s potential there, especially when there aren’t any other early 20 year olds scoring 15+ goals in the top leagues in Europe, than it is to write him off.

 

[sageyefc]

DCL's hold up play and pressure being one of them. Finishing? Not so much. At all.

Sure he played a part but to what extent is massively overstated, some go on like he showed exceptional quality that dragged us through games when in fact he just ran around a bit which was a welcome change from seeing the sloth toshun amble about. Several other factors played a much bigger part in our upturn of form, mainly finally having a solid and settled CB pairing, gueye hitting the best form of his Everton career, Coleman finding form after a horrible 6 months, Bernard hitting his stride, the non entity known as Walcott getting booted and richy going out to the right.

 

[ProZ]

In this thread; moaning Everton fans bashing their own player, a 22 year old who could potentially have a decade ahead of him playing top-flight football, because he's not the finished article just yet and the club itself hasn't provided suitable enough options.

He’s not started an article let alone finish it.